Return of Reckoning

Azarael wrote:You need to nerf down the rewards for taking BOs and keeps, and increase them when fighting is going on in the zone.

Azuzu wrote:Fighting players and not afking at keep doors should be rewarded, not punished. Sadly, right now the most effective way to get renown is to roll through a zone as quickly as possible with no resistance.

satori wrote:

navis wrote:

satori wrote:it would not be an incentive to actually fight the zerg so it is useless

what we need is a system that splits up the zerg (like removing lock timers on BOs and only making keep door take damage as long as attacking side holds 3+ BOs)

Not quite a good idea as the defense against this is that the defenders have to split up to recapture the BO's = BAD IDEA to create a opposition with a meaningful resistance if outnumbered. For that task it's good to bring some NPC's to the assistance.
So in order to help out the defenders why not add auto spawning NPC's at the BO which will retake the objective, after not being killed by

opposition during when a Keep take is underway for at least 2 minutes?

i really don't see how splitting up the zergs can be a bad thing, small fights in WAR have always been way more fun than spamming AoE in a group of 50+ players like a braindead zombie
and when the zerg is plit up the defending force can try to group up to fight one part of the attackers, keep in mind that attackers in my described model above have to split up on the keep and 3 BOs to have a chance to damage the keep door, so defenders should have a really good chance to win vs only 1/4 of the attackers AND you could remove all NPCs

i would like to see not a single NPC in the PvP areas at all, make it simply a flag in the keeps and BOs that takes some time to capture (like it was on live at some point i believe) so the actual fighting is never PvE and always PvP

Thorgrumm wrote:BO's arent 'taken' they need to be 'held' in order for it to be classed as captured. If there are no players standing at the BO it is neutral. If one side kills everyone holding the BO it immediately flips to being owned by the victors as they now have players holding it. If the attackers then move from it, it turns neutral until someone else turns up. There is no renown tick from BO's. The map just shows who currently owns a BO, it does not indicate that it is under attack, the players need to broadcast this in region.

Keep doors can only be attacked (take damage) if all BO's are held by a faction (or two BO's whichever is deemed reasonable). This makes it easier for the underdog to halt a keep attack by taking and holding a BO, or just skipping from one to the other, turning them neutral. The 'zerging' side would need to split between holding BO's and attacking the keep. This might then scatter the fight all over a zone which should make premades happier (I've never been in one so guessing here) and give pugs a reasonable tactical game and requirement.

The larger fight would be at the keep, with smaller fights trying to hold the BO's. Sometimes the larger blob attacking the keep would need to stop and help retake BO's with some of them then staying to hold them. Once the keep door goes down, BO's stick to being owned by the winning side but are now irrelevant and dont need holding, and everyone can converge on the keep if they want to, but dont actually need to for getting rewards (see below).

Increase the renown gained from player kills, add in AAO, remove the tick from a keep capture, change it to a zone tick only once the keep is captured so that it doesnt matter where you are in the zone you still get a juicy tick for capturing the zone. I hate the idea of people running from a perfectly good fight just because they need to get to the keep. The losing side gets a smaller failed zone defense tick.

Loot roll is zone wide for the winning side, again removing the need to be in the right place at the right time just for a larger tick and chance of loot. Loot is then mailed to people.