Pahakukka wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:04 pm
Im often called for lack of kiting, and have no excuses other than im very clumsy. The video tho is not 100%valid anymore since snare gets parried a lot, mine gets dodged a lot and u cant throw stuff while moving other than hipshot and few dots. Anything with Any cast Time is basically out of question.
Please dont take it as any kind of offense, it never meant to be so. Its just a friendly advice, i admire what you do and your videos, but i do believe you have plenty of room to improve in this regards and also im strongly convinced it will benefit your gameplay better then you evaluating most optimized gear/build setup. My wild guess - got too used to deftard playstyle you did back in a day
In regards to validity of video - art of kiting will never lose its importance. Video is 2019, Dalen claims CoF broke only in 2021, so it supposed to be working as intended there by devs definition (while everyone can clearly see the difference like day&night). But yes, broken CoF we have now adds quite some complexety (=clunkiness), unjustified engi overnerfs with rest of absolutely odd (to put it very mildly) "balancing" done on top aint helping either. Still tho, lots of exceptionally skilled old school roamers are long gone (such nostalgia to see e.g. Jurki in that clip, even Bachata roaming there) so the only one still left fining&mastering his skills is mdpv but if those guys happen to be back and rocking im totally sure they would be still showing amazing kiting skills and filming awesome roaming clips. Despite everything.
Zxul wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:40 pm
That's interesting, considering I'm soloing on rdps without kiting both on live and here just fine, and that the only thing he did in that video is 1v1. Not all that successfully even several times.
Yes, you are special. Im aware. It doesnt mean you are correct and doesnt ensure you are not claiming some wild things (like you usually do imo). Look, i respect your playstyles (no jokes, i really do), but you are radical off meta enjoyer. Your experience usually frustrates alot of people (but it doesnt mean your experience is bad or wrong, its just usually very different then what average joe encounters in game). People alike you are of rare breed and very much required in each game to break those boundaries of meta. However such path is usually incredibly unpleasant. I wouldnt have such resolve to overcome such struggle to deny meta so much. So denial of kiting by you (nor obvious denial of more then 1v1 fights in that video which you clearly didnt properly watch) means pretty much nothing. Yes, just like fatelvis is properly noticing:
fatelvis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:24 pm
You are not completely wrong in the sense that initially moving away from your melee target will give you a better chance, but don't expect an engie to stay out of melee range for the complete time of a fight against a capable opponent.
All melee classes you would want to kite have more tools to get to you (fast) than you have tools to keep them permanently at bay or kill them on the move. Except for maybe some tanks, but you won't harm them on the move and they can just walk away.
Even more so after the system change and lack of turret buffs. And that's only counting for the fights that don't start in your face anyways.
What works best for me is to move as little as possible, build a deadly fortress of fire, lightning, acid, shrapnels and phosphor dust, trying to kill anything that comes to harm me while having a bunch of nice fresh kegs. B)
One can deny kiting and still do something. Does it works to an extent (sometimes)? Absolutely! Is it most efficient and optimized way of playing? No, of course not.
Edition in regards to what fatelvis says: engi has enough tools to kite just as other RDPS classes (yes no comfortable snare option is meh, but still very much doable), it cant keep things somewhat permanently at bay like e.g. SW used to, but in grand scheme of things it doesnt matter all that much tbf. Lack of nade turret buff i consider as biggest nerfhammer hit on engi ngl.
In regards to deadly fortress you mention, while in general you always have to move in this game, so it aint optimal playstyle, engi does have options to burst with aoe stuff and that burst if done properly is huge indeed. But if we talk about roaming you should be constantly kiting just as mdpv shows in his BW video and Varham showed on every RDPS he filmed a clip here in RoR. Point