Return of Reckoning

Aurandilaz wrote:Theory:

Nice theory but it is just that ... a theory



Guess which side has more AOE tools and what class that unlocks most of it. Still it is how much that can be stacked that matters most when it comes to talking about focused mending.

So no I do not share your view FM is there to balance destructions superior aoe backline disruption skills. I'd even go so far to claim order has easier access to most goodies since they are on the typical meta classes and in most cases have better uptime or piggyback stuff like rampage for 100% eff.

Regarding AOE Zeles and DOKs most can be done with other classes


E: didn't include spec M4s

E2: I still believe FM was counterweight by CS just like I view BO - RP build timers incs/decs being "sloppy mirrored". Oh well before nerf

E3: Missed interrupts MT + WI, Echoing Roar, Flashing Grenade and new (BO) chop fasta bummer)

Bozzax wrote:

Aurandilaz wrote:Theory:

Nice theory but it is just that ... a theory



Guess which side has more AOE tools and what class that unlocks most of it. Still it is how much that can be stacked that matters most when it comes to talking about focused mending.

So no FM is not there to balance destructions superior aoe skills. I'd also go so far to claim order has easier access to most goodies since they are on the typical meta classes.

Regarding AOE Zeles and DOKs most can be done with other classes


E: didn't include spec M4s

Four of those are from staggering impact, which I imagine very few knights spec for as it is too high in Conquest tree.

Without that, the count is 8/7.

Obviously you should in large scale.

The number of debuffs/buffs you deploy is much more interesting then the number of abilities you used (to deploy them).

What really matters is min - max and what you can stack to (your setups max debuff/buff values)

I suppose it would make sense but I dont play knight. From what I understand, most are too committed to Vigilance and Glory to spend 13 points in conquest.

GodlessCrom wrote:I suppose it would make sense but I dont play knight. From what I understand, most are too committed to Vigilance and Glory to spend 13 points in conquest.

that's what i said at the begginin of the thread, glory mast in poor conditions, even if the tactic is in need of a nerf tha mastery isn't, any value nerf should wait till the mastery is in a better shape. But not the move up to 11pt. Untill Unbalanced attack and mighty soul dont get label as nice addition to yoru spec, nerf the value of FM don't feel right. You nerf (even if by few) 1 of the only 2 reason to spec 1 mastery basically.

Bozzax wrote:

Aurandilaz wrote:Theory:

E3: I hope I didn't forget any relevant ability / morale / tac

I dont see Black Orc's Down Ya Go which has now a whispering wind effect.

Bozzax wrote:Obviously you should in large scale.

The number of debuffs/buffs you deploy is much more interesting then the number of abilities you used (to deploy them).

What really matters is min - max and what you can stack to (your setups max debuff/buff values)

What really matters is what players actually employ, and not what theorycrafting says is "possible." A knight specced into Staggering impact cant get focused mending and dirty tricks together: he could get one or the other, but not both. He could get dirty tricks and kd, or focused mending and stagger, but not all of them together. He also obviously loses out on Vigilance.

Perhaps I am wrong and Kotbs forgo having crit buff and heal buff together with aoe snare and kd/stagger all for staggering impact. But would this thread, and constant complaints of "aurabots" exist if they did?

Again: what actually happens is what matters. Theorycraft can help, but its useless without implementation.

DYG, Nod and also mara WI was filtered out by misstake

Everything was in a contex of muliple grps so ya one knight dont have it all. Same way most chosens used other auras then those listed and renegade ddoks is an unicorn.

Also missing group aa haste from black orc.

Edit: unless we arent looking at group aoe buffs in general.