Return of Reckoning

leftside wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 11:31 pm

Spoiler:

It's unlikely to be (A).
See the attached log, for example, where the incoming damage is from a solo AM.

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• For block:
  B% - SB% or B%/2 chance to block the guard damage (whichever is higher)

• And for parry:
  P% - SP% or P%/2 chance to parry the guard damage (whichever is higher)

leftayparxoun wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 9:34 am I can verify that guard avoidance checks are affected by the original attacker's strikethrough.

I have confirmation both from a member of the balance team and from an actual in-game experiment (N~1000 hits).

Basically this means that if the attacker has parry strikethrough = SP% and block strikethrough = SB%, then an SnB tank with P% parry and B% block that is doing avoidance checks for the guard damage will have:

• For block:
  B% - SB% or B%/2 chance to block the guard damage (whichever is higher)

• And for parry:
  P% - SP% or P%/2 chance to parry the guard damage (whichever is higher)

Up until here things are known and confirmed.

The OP's question (which I have no idea how the system works for) is what happens in the case of mages.

Do they substitute their disrupt strikethrough in the parry check for the tank avoidance? Do they use their minimal parry strikethrough from Strength? Or, perhaps, do they have 0% strikethrough in the parry check by default?

Wdova wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:25 am

leftayparxoun wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 9:34 am I can verify that guard avoidance checks are affected by the original attacker's strikethrough.

I have confirmation both from a member of the balance team and from an actual in-game experiment (N~1000 hits).

Basically this means that if the attacker has parry strikethrough = SP% and block strikethrough = SB%, then an SnB tank with P% parry and B% block that is doing avoidance checks for the guard damage will have:

• For block:
  B% - SB% or B%/2 chance to block the guard damage (whichever is higher)

• And for parry:
  P% - SP% or P%/2 chance to parry the guard damage (whichever is higher)

Up until here things are known and confirmed.

The OP's question (which I have no idea how the system works for) is what happens in the case of mages.

Do they substitute their disrupt strikethrough in the parry check for the tank avoidance? Do they use their minimal parry strikethrough from Strength? Or, perhaps, do they have 0% strikethrough in the parry check by default?

Thank you for clarify this. I don´t understand why strikethru should work that way, because for me it doesn´t make any sence. Having strikethru vs character you don´t hit. Maybe from balance reasons? I dont know.

Ysaran wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:32 pm

Wdova wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:25 am

leftayparxoun wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 9:34 am I can verify that guard avoidance checks are affected by the original attacker's strikethrough.

I have confirmation both from a member of the balance team and from an actual in-game experiment (N~1000 hits).

Basically this means that if the attacker has parry strikethrough = SP% and block strikethrough = SB%, then an SnB tank with P% parry and B% block that is doing avoidance checks for the guard damage will have:

• For block:
  B% - SB% or B%/2 chance to block the guard damage (whichever is higher)

• And for parry:
  P% - SP% or P%/2 chance to parry the guard damage (whichever is higher)

Up until here things are known and confirmed.

The OP's question (which I have no idea how the system works for) is what happens in the case of mages.

Do they substitute their disrupt strikethrough in the parry check for the tank avoidance? Do they use their minimal parry strikethrough from Strength? Or, perhaps, do they have 0% strikethrough in the parry check by default?

Thank you for clarify this. I don´t understand why strikethru should work that way, because for me it doesn´t make any sence. Having strikethru vs character you don´t hit. Maybe from balance reasons? I dont know.

As far as I know it was like this since live. It was the Big problem of Rampage since then. Having 100% strikethrough meant that guarding the Slayer target would make you the target of unmitigable and unavoidable damage.

But yeah, no reason at all for this mechanic. Not having it would have solved so many problems in the past years

Ysaran wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:32 pm
As far as I know it was like this since live. It was the Big problem of Rampage since then. Having 100% strikethrough meant that guarding the Slayer target would make you the target of unmitigable and unavoidable damage.

But yeah, no reason at all for this mechanic. Not having it would have solved so many problems in the past years

Nekkma wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:37 pm

Ysaran wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:32 pm

Wdova wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:25 am

Thank you for clarify this. I don´t understand why strikethru should work that way, because for me it doesn´t make any sence. Having strikethru vs character you don´t hit. Maybe from balance reasons? I dont know.

As far as I know it was like this since live. It was the Big problem of Rampage since then. Having 100% strikethrough meant that guarding the Slayer target would make you the target of unmitigable and unavoidable damage.

But yeah, no reason at all for this mechanic. Not having it would have solved so many problems in the past years

No, it was not like this on live. Guard dmg was considered a STR 1 attack meaning no strikethrough. Also, you passively gained 25 % parry on guard dmg as you hade more than 4 WS.