Return of Reckoning

reynor007 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:49 am

Husti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:47 am

reynor007 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:44 am I can say that the balance does not stand still, the meta and builds change, would you try to tell my friend full dps chosen, that regen is OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwNIr1Dgzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqDfQWUf2DY
first, take a close look at the damage and answer your question, how much regeneration is needed to survive such damage

That was before the chosen tactic nerf. They can't do this anymore.

read carefully what I wrote
and yes it was over a year ago

I read carefully. You posted old videos that are obsolete now. What's your point?

Caduceus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:29 am

Wiede wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:16 am

"Regen build overperforming" is literally the epitome of an undergeared or wrong build/bad played DPS that is convinced just because he picked a DPS archetype that he has the natural right to successfully kill anything he touches. We have the same behavior or opinions with DPS vs. healers or melee vs. kiters all the time.

This is nonsense. Regen tanks dominate almost every other class in this regard. I assume with "undergeared/wrong build" you mean that if DPS classes spec for full damage they would have an easier time, but this is just plain wrong. Any regen/survivability build will devour glass cannon DPS.

"A natural right to kill"?

What about an actual fight to begin with, rather than a loss by default?


Three archetypes dominate the dueling/small-scale scene: AM/Shaman, regen tanks/WH/WE. All the other classes have no contest versus these classes, assuming they are played well.

Maybe you believe that this is fine, because RoR isn't balanced around 1v1, etc. That's fair enough. But let's not sit here and pretend these classes/archetypes do not dominate utterly.

you talk about domination of am / sham and regen of tanks in a duel, I will tell you so, on my ib I have more than 1200 regen with healing turned on, I killed any shaman in a duel, killed rioz, but very easily killed dps magus

Caduceus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:29 am

Wiede wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:16 am

"Regen build overperforming" is literally the epitome of an undergeared or wrong build/bad played DPS that is convinced just because he picked a DPS archetype that he has the natural right to successfully kill anything he touches. We have the same behavior or opinions with DPS vs. healers or melee vs. kiters all the time.

This is nonsense. Regen tanks dominate almost every other class in this regard. I assume with "undergeared/wrong build" you mean that if DPS classes spec for full damage they would have an easier time, but this is just plain wrong. Any regen/survivability build will devour glass cannon DPS.

"A natural right to kill"?

What about an actual fight to begin with, rather than a loss by default?


Three archetypes dominate the dueling/small-scale scene: AM/Shaman, regen tanks/WH/WE. All the other classes have no contest versus these classes, assuming they are played well.

Maybe you believe that this is fine, because RoR isn't balanced around 1v1, etc. That's fair enough. But let's not sit here and pretend these classes/archetypes do not dominate utterly.

Want to throw in:
- melee WP/Dok, both types
- engi
- SM
- BG/IB
-Mara
we're able to regen build all the time.

All of them can be countered by e.g. Magus/Engi or healdebuff, some through kiting others through outlasting them even more.

I dont play full heal RP expecting to kill a Tank 1on1, so neither should you expecting to kill a build in an enviroment completely build to outlast you.

As i said: No regen build is able to create so much pressure on you that you're not beeing able to disengage. The only expectation not beeing met is your expectation that a fight has to be won through your DPS overwhelming the defense of the enemy.

I fully unterstand that this is not the main reason to play a zoom zoom high numbers DPS and that can be frustrating. But that is what balance in an PvP game has to be.

Husti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:51 am

reynor007 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:49 am

Husti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:47 am
That was before the chosen tactic nerf. They can't do this anymore.

read carefully what I wrote
and yes it was over a year ago

I read carefully. You posted old videos that are obsolete now. What's your point?

I ask you, my video is SW, I kill everyone def regen WE without any problems, the same thing happened with regen tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWit3ol4F_A&t=532s 8:22

Morradin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:55 am It's not as bad as the OP makes it out to be, but yes, regen tanks need to be looked at. Just something wrong when a BlORC out heals (itself) a dps spek dok/wp that slots a book/cup to help heal.

BO don't actually heal, they increase wounds for group, which counts as heal but it doesn't matter. In a fight, where healers don't have to heal much, their healing can be higher than heal of true heal classes. In reality it doesn't matter, because you save nobody with wounds procs alone.

reynor007 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:51 am

you talk about domination of am / sham and regen of tanks in a duel, I will tell you so, on my ib I have more than 1200 regen with healing turned on, I killed any shaman in a duel, killed rioz, but very easily killed dps magus

I mean, you shouldn't.

If your mitigation is too low, you have more than enough tools to make your mitigation against casters go through the roof.

reynor007 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:55 am

Husti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:51 am

reynor007 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:49 am

read carefully what I wrote
and yes it was over a year ago

I read carefully. You posted old videos that are obsolete now. What's your point?

I ask you, my video is SW, I kill everyone def regen WE without any problems, the same thing happened with regen tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWit3ol4F_A&t=532s 8:22

Just because you put together a compilation of scenes where you were winning doesn't mean anything. It can be done with every class. Just try often enough and take the scenes were you were lucky and the enemy made mistakes or were unlucky.

You are also a very skilled player. What you are doing maybe 1% of the players can do. It doesn't mean ****. You were also lucky and had the element of surprise because most WEs expected to have an easy win vs a SW and didn't try too hard. 99% of the SWs would have lost to that reggen WE.

What you don't see is that the WEs did nothing special. They just jumped you and used their standard stuff and in most cases they are successful with it, while you were pulling everything you could to barely win. One mistake or miss on a snare or knock down and you would have lost. They also had the chance to just walk away without losing, that's what they usually do when they know that someone is tough. Then they gonna jump you in groups or wait till you are weakend or under pressure. When you are in a tight space you also gonna have all odds against you. They were also not using their dodge/disrupt M1.

What kind of argument is that? Most 1vs1 videos are compilations.
When regen WE wins against most SW so be it, it's not intended for them or anyone to duel.

Mordecaieth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:04 am

tazdingo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:41 pm

Mordecaieth wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:23 pm

yeah that has to be bugged

Yeah, funny thing about that. It's not.

what's the destro equiv? i need to go investigate. for bugs

So manny pages based upon two off spec toons wanting to kill a off spec

Just think if these two decided to hit on an Healer geared for small scale and BiS healer, let alone IB

Get a proper st damage dealer not two offspecs