Return of Reckoning

Jaycub wrote: There isn't anything akin to something like pudge from dota, o

Plz get real, if you want a real high skill cap hero you should look no further than storm spirit

TenTonHammer wrote:

Jaycub wrote: There isn't anything akin to something like pudge from dota, o

Plz get real, if you want a real high skill cap hero you should look no further than storm spirit

Was just an example

Tklees wrote: Stat conversion is already in game, rp/zealot. Could be applied to melee healer WPs. The big thing I'm seeing here is the divide between ppl who want the class go be a viable dps option and the ppl who want to be a healer but melee being how you heal.

I approve of option two. WPs and doks should not be as viable at doing dmg as a dps while also being a healer. We will have melee dok and wp premades unkillable if that happens. They need a range increase for melee heal range and a bump in heal it provides. They have an aoe detaunt with 100% up time and that's way better than any dps and are medium armor so defense isn't an issue. I don't think huge changes are needed for melee healing to be viable. Making them a viable dps is a bad idea IMO

I pretty much agree with you, WP/DOK shouldn't dps as much as a real dps while healing, but should heal via melee, BUT being melee is a HUGE disadvantage compared to being ranged, especially for a healer (way easier to cc -hello snare+superpunt-, to burst-as he cannot kite mdps- etc) so he needs to bring something to the table to be useful, which is an assist dps. By assist, I mean ofc not the dps of a real dps, and whithout burst, but still a small/semi-decent dps, otherwise there will be no reason to play melee healer over ranged healer.
Stats conversion would be a good thing imo, and wouldn't give WP/DOK a dps comparable to real mdps (the same way dpsRP/zealot don't have the same dps as a rdps) but would help getting ride of the wil/str gearing nonsense.

Anyway, I repeat that WP/DOK will need something to gap close anyway to be viable as melee healer, because otherwise a single tank could snare+super kb (6-7s at least for the WP/DOK to come back to melee range, so 6-7s whithout healing), then kd (3 more seconds whithout healing)=10s -at least- without healing every 30s with immuns...who will want a healer that cannot heal 1/3 of the time?

I bet shamies and SHs eat WPs 1v1 all the time. if u ever lose to melee class or tank 1v1 on dps WP you would be doing something horribly wrong (talking bout current t2).[/quote]

Given same gear, WPs/DoKs aren't that hard if you are a good tank with high block/parry.

KotBS can easily beat DoK for sure. WPs are easy if you interrupt their Divine Assault (taunt ftw).

Shamans, DoKs and even Magus will beat a DPS WP (i used to :| a super twinked DPS WP with my Magus in T3).

SWs also :| DoKs.[/quote]

properly played and geared DPS WP at higher RR of T4 could beat pretty much anyone in duels T3 DPS WP were terrible due to horrible itemization[/quote]

I donk know. I havent found single dps WP, who could beat same geared WE or MARA. I am sure,they can beat some classes in 1v1 but definitely not "anyone".
Guarded dps WP or dps DoK is the most anoying and hardest to kill combo in game.

Vdova wrote: Guarded dps WP or dps DoK is the most anoying and hardest to kill combo in game.

Shaman/SH and AM/SW disagree with you.

[/quote]properly played and geared DPS WP at higher RR of T4 could beat pretty much anyone in duels T3 DPS WP were terrible due to horrible itemization[/quote]

I donk know. I havent found single dps WP, who could beat same geared WE or MARA. I am sure,they can beat some classes in 1v1 but definitely not "anyone".
Guarded dps WP or dps DoK is the most anoying and hardest to kill combo in game.[/quote]

lilsabin wrote:i was in a scenarios as a Warrior Priest 2 hander , then somebody started an argument with me about my class being made to heal and i shouldnt dps , blah blahblah blah ... So , why can't i DPS if the game give me the option to ? IT S like telling a ret paladin (wow) he should be going holy because his class is for healing or prot because his class is for tanking. I am starting to see lot of people runing around and telling other people they are playing their classes wrong because they are dpsing instead of healing or tanking...LISTEN , IF SOMEONE WANT TO 2 HAND BLACK ORC AND GO DPS (right mastery of course) DONT TELL THEM THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG , BECAUSE THE OPTION IS HERE ... IF DEV WANTED BLACK ORC TO TANK ONLY OR WP TO HEAL ONLY THEY SHOULDNT HAVE GIVEN US THE OPTION TO DPS , AND PLZ DONT EVEN START WITH THAT PVE BULLCRAP .

THNX

ou can play You dps WP if there is at least one healer in Your group. If u use divine assault to heal your team mates and throw hots on others and time to time use group heal, I see no problem that You should not play that way.
If You are single healer in party or in scenario,not throw single hot on anyone or never used group heal and only spamming dps skills and heal Your self, You should be prepared to face hate from Your team mates.
I suggest swap tactics,equip 1h+tome and focus on heal only.

Azarael wrote:Whether a low skillcap class should have anything other than mediocre reward is really something that's up for debate.

As long as nerfbuttons is functional, the skill floor for any class or spec can be really quite low. I'm not arguing for or against the addon, but only to say that I don't think it makes sense to talk about skill / reward as long as it exists and is functional.

I don't really think DPS DoK/WP need a total overhaul, they work well in certain comps and could use a small buff like the gap closer suggested.

They got so much hate because so many pug dps spec WP/DoK tend to do terribly and draw ire because people see them and go "instead of being garbage they could be healing". Games should be balanced at the highest level of play,we don't need to buff melee healers to the point where they are "mandatory" in 6 man comps. I would think balancing the game away from the melee train meta would be a bit more important.