What is 'botting'?

[Renork]

If ANY ELEMENT of your farming mobs AFK using auras involves automation, through program or otherwise, by some element that is outside of the Warhammer client, you are in violation of the botting rule.

I cannot make it simpler than that.

If you stand there using your aura to farm mobs, and you, the player, move the character every so often, manually, to avoid the logout timer, then you are not in violation of the rules. But that is the only way in which you would be able to stay online and not be in violation.

At this point Zanilos is just being a smart ass. How many times have multiple people explained what botting is? Sounds like he's just looking for someone to say the "wrong" thing. Also, it's 2016... this certainly can't be your first mmo.

[Razid1987]

At this point Zanilos is just being a smart ass. How many times have multiple people explained what botting is? Sounds like he's just looking for someone to say the "wrong" thing. Also, it's 2016... this certainly can't be your first mmo.

Pretty sure he just wanted 100% clarification. Guess that's illegal now.

[Renork]

At this point Zanilos is just being a smart ass. How many times have multiple people explained what botting is? Sounds like he's just looking for someone to say the "wrong" thing. Also, it's 2016... this certainly can't be your first mmo.

Pretty sure he just wanted 100% clarification. Guess that's illegal now.

I'm sure the previous 5 explanations weren't sufficient enough. Here you go, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMORPG_bots

[sullemunk]

Doesn't beeing in combat abort the logout timer?

[magicthighs]

Doesn't beeing in combat abort the logout timer?

No. Only performing actions does.

[Zanilos]

If ANY ELEMENT of your farming mobs AFK using auras involves automation, through program or otherwise, by some element that is outside of the Warhammer client, you are in violation of the botting rule.

I cannot make it simpler than that.

If you stand there using your aura to farm mobs, and you, the player, move the character every so often, manually, to avoid the logout timer, then you are not in violation of the rules. But that is the only way in which you would be able to stay online and not be in violation.

At this point Zanilos is just being a smart ass. How many times have multiple people explained what botting is? Sounds like he's just looking for someone to say the "wrong" thing. Also, it's 2016... this certainly can't be your first mmo.

I can guarantee I'm not being a smart ass. Lots of stories of people being banned for what I'm saying to do. Like I just said it's only stories and I take them for face value.

I actually like my account so having something confirmed that could make me lose my chars is pretty important I always presumed that being afk with auras on killing mobs was illegal seeing as being in combat stops your auto logout.

[Jaycub]

See the post above you.

You would have to make a script to spam a key with the warhammer window active to keep you from logging out. If you get caught afk farming and don't respond to a GM sending you tells or teleporting you somewhere then you got caught with your pants down and lose that account.

The stories you hear are most likely bullshit, I seen some guy argue with vystin in /ad for like an hour about some guy from his guild getting banned for botting trying to say he wasn't when he obviously was. People will just lie and say whatever to not lose their account.

[Luth]

I seen some guy argue with vystin in /ad for like an hour

Can't be true; he would have banned him for the attempt to argue with him after 30 seconds.

[Renork]

If ANY ELEMENT of your farming mobs AFK using auras involves automation, through program or otherwise, by some element that is outside of the Warhammer client, you are in violation of the botting rule.

I cannot make it simpler than that.

If you stand there using your aura to farm mobs, and you, the player, move the character every so often, manually, to avoid the logout timer, then you are not in violation of the rules. But that is the only way in which you would be able to stay online and not be in violation.

At this point Zanilos is just being a smart ass. How many times have multiple people explained what botting is? Sounds like he's just looking for someone to say the "wrong" thing. Also, it's 2016... this certainly can't be your first mmo.

I can guarantee I'm not being a smart ass. Lots of stories of people being banned for what I'm saying to do. Like I just said it's only stories and I take them for face value.

I actually like my account so having something confirmed that could make me lose my chars is pretty important I always presumed that being afk with auras on killing mobs was illegal seeing as being in combat stops your auto logout.

My apologies if you were not being a smart ass then. Like Jaycub said, most of the stories are pretty bogus. Vistyn is very fair and if they got banned, then you can bet anything they were scripting. The GM's are not ban happy here, they are very lenient as far as private servers go.

[Bejkon]

If ANY ELEMENT of your farming mobs AFK using auras involves automation, through program or otherwise, by some element that is outside of the Warhammer client, you are in violation of the botting rule.

I cannot make it simpler than that.

If you stand there using your aura to farm mobs, and you, the player, move the character every so often, manually, to avoid the logout timer, then you are not in violation of the rules. But that is the only way in which you would be able to stay online and not be in violation.

At this point Zanilos is just being a smart ass. How many times have multiple people explained what botting is? Sounds like he's just looking for someone to say the "wrong" thing. Also, it's 2016... this certainly can't be your first mmo.

I can guarantee I'm not being a smart ass. Lots of stories of people being banned for what I'm saying to do. Like I just said it's only stories and I take them for face value.

I actually like my account so having something confirmed that could make me lose my chars is pretty important I always presumed that being afk with auras on killing mobs was illegal seeing as being in combat stops your auto logout.

I'm just stopping by to add that you should probably not do this anyways, if you dont wanna get banned for a week.

Now, Im not under ban, but i could have been. I'm not mad nor trying to be a smart ass, I'm simply confused.

The event leading to confusion:

Spoiler:

A couple of days ago, me and a couple of friends did this with one of said friends KotBS. We sat in Grovod Caverns killing rats with auras and a WP prayer just to gain some lvls. While doing so we were tabbed out, checkin youtube and sharing the late-night-imgur-funz over skype. Every once in a while we tabbed back in and jumped around for a bit to not get booted and because jumping is what should be done when bored in MMOs, right? So far it seems like we were doing what Aza just said was the one way to not violate and still be as inactive as possible. Well, I only kept this up for about 15min before i went and got ready for bed, let the auto-boot kick me out and after that i called it a day and went to bed.

The following day while at work, I hear my friends got banned shortly after i left.

The search for clarity:

Spoiler:

I asked my friends what had happened and they basically said they had been tabbed out, surfing away on the webz just as we were doing earlier. When they tabbed back for another session of jumping however, they had been teleported by a GM and handed a 24h ban. When one of my friends tried to explain that what they were doing seemed to be OK afther reading this very thread, they got the ban extended to one week.

So I Reached out to SigmarPriest since both my, now on a one week suspension, mates apparently were too new to the project to send PMs on the forums.

I told him what my firends told me. Then I asked him to explain why they were banned and also if the GM who issued the ban, which was not SigmarPriest FYI, had anything to add to the story that my friends had produced to me.

The clarity:

Spoiler:

Hello,

when your char doing any kind of action IG for example killing mobs with an aura or anything else that has any form of influence at the world you need to be able to respond a GM.

regards

And as far as I can tell, he is right, according to the ToS.

The confusion remains:

Spoiler:

With this info at hand, I'm still somewhat confused. As far as i can tell, if you want to put this to the extreme, this means you would be facing a ban if you went AFK to visit the bathroom, answering the door or grabbing a drink while doing anything thats influencing the world, like beeing grouped as a WP and not turning of your prayer before leaving the screen. Would the AM that logs of while its resist buff still lingers on players also be at fault? On the other hand, It seems like one could farm stuff semi-afk and tabbed out on a KotBS all day, as long as you have your browser/mediaplayer on another screen or simply windowed and not covering the chat box.

Ofc this would probably never happen, but its still abit fuzzy around the edges imo. Then again, maybe thats just me being abit thick.

So yeah, thats that. My friends and I will go along with the GMs decision, its their server and they owe us nothing. It's just that we, like ppl in this thread, thought that what we did was OK even if considered lame by most(me included).

Either way, its not too bad, their bans will be lifted in a few days and we will tread more carefully in the future. I mainly figured this info might spare someone else from a misunderstanding/suspension.


/Bejk