6vsX for the funzies

[Bretin]

Have you tested Whirling Blades? using Witchbrew and HRT that much, i could see that tactic being useful. With a Chosen buffing your Str (or a Str potion) maybe it could be viable using Whirling Blades instead of BF?

i got 717 str unbuffed with bruteforce idk if it would be really that great since all the dots you have do only stack with strength but not with weapon dps. would maybe sacrifice my dmg a bit too much just to have some more defense, something we actually don't really need since i assume we're stable enough. probably a valid 6vs6 option

[Bretin]

some non-rage post from me today and a update about yesterdays PvP:

http://www.twitch.tv/stenchypow/v/33903273
http://www.twitch.tv/stenchypow/v/33900749

check my twitch highlights for more and tune in in around 1hour when i'm going live

[mursie]

ahh - now I see where the "in my signature" line came from when you were speaking to me the other day on stream.

Do you really want to go there? I don't think it's in your best interest to talk about less than ideal comps and the outcomes of those. But if you want me to shine some light on how those setups fair I would be more than happy to. I had some great times solo queing on the WL this weekend, had some great victories. Saw some more on a four man comp our guild was running. Victories that included some prominent destro guilds whose members love to boast their awesomeness . But the details of those great times really don't need to be aired here in the forums, don't you think? If you want me to, I can, but I really think it's best for all parties to admit that playing in less than ideal comps does not yield maximum results. For that matter, playing in ideal comps doesn't always either - it just tends to (but more on that in a minute).

For the record - your sig is likely referring to some sc's in Gates of Ekrund against the Damned's six man melee train premade. We were running a five man that had ONE healer and two RDPS ... oh yeah - and a lvl 27 swordmaster that will admittedly tell you that his witch elf instincts prevent him from adequately tanking. Infact his direct comment is "I suck at tanking. If you aren't standing beside me, you aren't getting guard".

Anyways, I'm sure the Damned will be happy to tell you that we ran into them with that same comp multiple times that night. We faired very well in open sc's (nordenwatch) and not so well in tight Gates of Ekrund spaces. RDPS vs melee train in GoE is not so hot. Even still, we did pull a GoE win out towards the end of the night. Some great fights that night - good fun.

The best part about your sig though, is the statement you are quoting me on doesn't even describe the event you want to link it to. First, I indicate that "I tend to", which translates to - not ALL the time. If it was, I would have said "I always". Further, you didn't even highlight an actual sc where the parameters I stated fit - (i.e. having TWO healers, I'll let you slide on the guard cause you know, the lvl 27 swordmaster is technically a tank and he was around some of the time, technically). Finally, my statement is from a much larger post that you cut completely out of context, which discusses the ramifications of the vast majority of premade sc's that take place - (i.e. - premade coordinated groups farming unorganized pugs). I fully admit that while premades tend (there is that word again, let me know if you are struggling with this) to dominate because they are against unorganized pugs that fill the vast majority of sc's / rvr, against another competent premade (like The Damned running the melee train), results "are subject to change".

Anyways - I'm not interested in quarreling with you. We can continue to bicker back and forth but it serves no purpose. You have misquoted and misunderstood a great deal of things I have said previously (crying for WE nerfs being the latest). I'm willing to concede that perhaps I've done the same of you. Further, I actually quite respect your tanks and healers. They seem to selflessly continue to play dedicated support roles which is highly commendable. Our group has a guy that only played DPS on live (and was really damn good at it), but is also admittedly one of the best healers/tanks I've ever seen. He has selflessly played the healer/tank role on RoR exclusively for the benefit of our other party members. The reality - he wants to play his dps here, but doing so means we lose our best asset (healer/tank). Imho, any numb-nut, including myself, can play dps. The skill-cap is quite low for this. Healing and tanking are a craft, and those that do it well tend to separate the average teams, from the good, from the great. Those roles are far less in the spotlight and near thankless roles (you won't see people making montage youtube videos about that healer that dominated his teams with heals to victory, or that clutch tank whose cc and damage mitigation (things that are not tangibly tracked anywhere) were absolutely Key to victories) but they are THE determining factor that makes any great team.

PS - I don't archive broadcasts. That was literally the first night I was trying to setup streaming, and the settings I had at the time were not correct.

[Bretin]

i knew this was going to happen after last nights scenario but you're welcome, here we go:

ahh - now I see where the "in my signature" line came from when you were speaking to me the other day on stream.

you knew it already when we were talking on your twitch. pretending like you didn't is completely laughable since twitch is not deleting videos by itself.

I had some great times solo queing this weekend, saw some great victories. Saw some more on a four man comp we were running. But the details of those great times really don't need to be aired here in the forums.

i knew exactly that this was about to happen after Temple of Isha last night. So please let's go deeper into this. You qued up with a 5 man (2 kotbs 23&27), 1 bw (31), 1 wh (32), your WP (23). As a add group you had a second premade (which did almost all the dmg for you and basically "carried" you) while we had 5 of our guild (2 on their main) and 1 DoK of CA + 4 randoms who were NEVER with us. When we joined, the points were already 250 in favor for your realm. That being said, we went in 6vs12, killed your BW first and some of your add group before our heal and i died, again most likely to your add group. at this point your 12 man managed to kill 1 dps dok, 1 heal dok and 1 zealot with 12 ppl. much wow. we regrouped and killed your whole group (except the bw) and a dps of the other group before the sc ended. our choppa went out 6:0 and the kills in total were around 12:9 in your favor while only 3 of those kills were sponsored by us and all the kills we had were made by us. Great victory m8 and definitely worth stepping up in the forum like this after 3 days of silence (back when we were talking about the twitch movie).

For the record - your sig is likely speaking about some sc's in Gates of Ekrund against the Damned's six man melee train premade. We were running a five man that had ONE healer and two RDPS ... oh yeah - and a lvl 27 swordmaster that will admittedly tell you that his witch elf instincts prevent him from adequately tanking. Infact his direct comment is "I suck at tanking. If you aren't standing beside me, you aren't getting guard".

The Damned had Megladonis, a tank i am able to 3 shot on my WL, a Monstrosity Marauder and a witch elf who got outdpst by a SnB B/O. Impressive Setup. Those "instincts" you are talking about are called "cutted balls" and your whole group seems to have this issue. we can help you out with that since you could see, that we have enough balls to challenge a double premade on a twink setup while coming up ahead in terms of kills per group.

Anyways, I'm sure the Damned will be happy to tell you that we ran into them with that same comp multiple times that night. We faired very well in open sc's (nordenwatch) and not so well in tight Gates of Ekrund spaces. RDPS vs melee train in GoE is not so hot. Even still, we did pull a GoE win out towards the end of the night.

i'm sure you did well when your rdps were finally inside the guards where they feel comfortable and finally started to do something, hell even your own guildie didn't seem to be keen on by your range WL gameplay in the end of the video .

Lastly, and probably the best part of all this, is the statement you are quoting me on. First, I indicate that "I tend to", which translates to - not ALL the time. If it was, I would have said "I always". Further, you didn't even highlight an actual sc where the parameters I stated fit - (i.e. having TWO healers, I'll let you slide on the guard cause you know, the lvl 27 swordmaster is technically a tank and he was around some of the time, technically).

Yet i've never seen you doing well on dps, all the sc's i saw from your PoV are about hugging either guards or the backline even when you got guard and heal. so your "not ALL the time" seems to be more likely a "rare moment".

Anyways - I'm not interested in quarreling with you. We can continue to bicker back and forth but it serves no purpose.

ahhh, i see the innocent mursie again who's not interested in quarreling with me but who comes up with a story which is 3 days in the past after a almost "flawless" victory. you should really try harder on that one bro

Further, I actually quite respect your tanks and healers.

you already said that like 5 times, thanks again. i'm sure they appreciate it.

Our group has a guy that only played DPS on live (and was really damn good at it)

what did he play? range WL? range Mrd?

but is also admittedly one of the best healers/tanks I've ever seen. He has selflessly played the healer/tank role on RoR exclusively for the benefit of our other party members. The reality - he wants to play his dps here, but doing so means we lose our best asset (healer/tank). Imho, any numb-nut, including myself, can play dps. The skill-cap is quite low for this. Healing and tanking are a craft, and those that do it well tend to separate the average teams, from the good, from the great. Those roles are far less in the spotlight and near thankless roles (you won't see people making montage youtube videos about that healer that dominated his teams with heals to victory, or that clutch tank whose cc and damage mitigation (things that are not tangibly tracked anywhere) were absolutely Key to victories) but they are THE determining factor that makes any great team.

why are you telling me this? are you somehow bored? i know Nanji (Wingz/Osmium) is by far the best player in our group and the one who decides most of the fights. i'm also sure with him we would've taken you out 12vs6. he and all the other ppl on support roles get the credit they deserve, if it's not by randoms it's by us and the ppl who actually see more than numbers on a scoreboard when it comes to PvP.

PS - I don't archive broadcasts. That was literally the first night I was trying to setup streaming, and the settings I had at the time were not correct.

i know, you only delete them when they are quoted in signatures but nP, here is your youtube version:

https://youtu.be/PZnUJnteJzc

[mursie]

ahh - you didn't even include my solo que victory in GoE over your premade when you were on your Witch Elf - hugging spawn after your first wipe. You know, the sc where i'm in a party with ZERO healers.

You amuse me, do you really want to air more laundry here? What is your excuse this time?

Oh and the isha scenario - the off group was pugs. You are beyond delusional. I was a lvl 23 WP, wearing lvl 15 greens (LOL). Seriously - just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Are you seriously saying that you can't handle the power of a solo healed group that has two lowbie nights and one lowbie lvl 23 warrior priest wearing lvl 15 greens playing warrior priest in warhammer for literally the first time EVER in pvp?

Basically to sum up: When your comp isn't ideal, you're magically facing double premades. LoL. Oh, and hugging guards after wipe because you don't want to die anymore.

You then turn around and blast others on these same points? LOL - hypocrite much?

[Penril]

Disclaimer: Megladonis is not in The Damned, nor was he grouped with us.

Disclaimer 2: Our Marauder is Savagery, not Monstrosity.

Please inform yourself before making assumptions. I dont make up stories and say things like "i saw xxxxx in a enigma premade the other night, and their SH was Stabbin' spec".

Carry on.

[Bretin]

the GoE against kritical camoran and me against nakedblades double slayer group 3 slayer and you where my we did not die? wow... who is delusional m8

[mursie]

the GoE against kritical camoran and me against nakedblades double slayer group 3 slayer and you where my we did not die? wow... who is delusional m8

The GoE where you hugged spawn after first wipe because order had a six man group with an off group that had zero heals. The one where you let your team wipe multiple times while you sat back in spawn. Yeah - that GoE.

I guess I'm not understanding you m8 - thought you didn't do that stuff because you 3 shot ppl. Are you saying you need a perfect comp to compete?

[Druin]

If you keep this up I'm going to lock this thread.

[mursie]

i knew exactly that this was about to happen after Temple of Isha last night. So please let's go deeper into this. You qued up with a 5 man (2 kotbs 23&27), 1 bw (31), 1 wh (32), your WP (23). As a add group you had a second premade (which did almost all the dmg for you and basically "carried" you) while we had 5 of our guild (2 on their main) and 1 DoK of CA + 4 randoms who were NEVER with us. When we joined, the points were already 250 in favor for your realm. That being said, we went in 6vs12, killed your BW first and some of your add group before our heal and i died, again most likely to your add group. at this point your 12 man managed to kill 1 dps dok, 1 heal dok and 1 zealot with 12 ppl. much wow. we regrouped and killed your whole group (except the bw) and a dps of the other group before the sc ended. our choppa went out 6:0 and the kills in total were around 12:9 in your favor while only 3 of those kills were sponsored by us and all the kills we had were made by us. Great victory m8 and definitely worth stepping up in the forum like this after 3 days of silence (back when we were talking about the twitch movie).

Umm - no, you were wiped twice. Once on your way to the temple, once inside the temple. Your five man plus one CA were fighting a five man of our guild and pugs. You have correctly identified our five man, a solo healing WP lvl 23 in lvl 15 greens and some lowbie knights. Basically, what I'm hearing is, You brought five plus a CA and couldn't handle five. This is odd though, because from all the posts you have made, I know you wouldn't possibly be trying to crutch on the fact that you didn't have your ideal group. I mean, you don't need that to compete do you? You dominate no matter what right? Oh wait....