The way to get rid of both X-realming AND Faction Imbalance in RvR

[Sufferkate]

Sulorie wrote: Quite bad suggestion to punish people who are just loyal to their realm in order to punish those who xrealm. No ones punishing anyone.We're thinking, of ways to, BALANCE population levels. Do you think Sc's, ARE punishing people ? ? (because those have even numbers). And ... if you're worried about, getting tons of renown from kills, It wouldn't be hard to go back to the old way like on live. Or something like it, where the people that did the most killing, without dying, became extra renown, if killed. (not sure why, they got rid of that, it was SUPER fun.)You can't ever control or balance both, therefore any plan to make rvr "fair" is doomed right from the start. We'll never know, unless we try, something else.The population would be at least near even. (minus the die hard griefers)The question is, what can the underdog They would only be a "underdog" in skill, Remember they will, SELF-BALANCING population LEVELS do to make an impact It's all how you look at it, you can focus on many things, maybe focus on keeping your party/wb alive. Maybe, focus on getting the most kills, ect. Both are making an impact. There is no evidence for coordinated xrealming to overpopulated side on the other hand.LOL, people see it all the time, (and yes, some of it is prime times switches from NA to EU)One core problem I see with underdog is, you are lost if there is no coordination, because you already lack numbers.We covered numbers Without either pug warband leaders or organized guilds there will be no change.Glad, you agree, I been banned since,3/26/22, and ran pug wb's, 7 days a week, 365. And was, pretty decent, got tons of thanks, for leading. Vote to UN-BAN, my account. Acidic also wrote: We have a loss of good warband leaders.

[Acidic]

One thing to consider is why currently destro is not taking zones or forts.

If you look back before the last “balance” patches you would notice destro were doing ok, look a little further back when there was an active 24v24 scene going on and decent city fights.

What changed a series of relatively heavy destro nerfs , result is visible, edjgy players went order .. as balance of realm is not what is was so a decent chunk of core destro was lost to xrealm type player

We have a loss of good warband leaders, we have ppl who actively encourage blobbing while weaker groups to survive just follow the one or two warbands that are organized.

In short the last set of “balance” patches produced this current situation and until “balance” is actual balance and we don’t see things like BHA spam, rampage, cdr one side on tank other on a dps, etc being brushed off as balanced the situation will stay as is or get worse.

[Sulorie]

..., cdr one side on tank other on a dps, etc being brushed off as balanced the situation will stay as is or get worse.

Imagine being a mSH with Choppa in group for CDR and you become champ in city stage 3. Now you lose CDR, because the choppa won't be in your group.
On order you still have CDR without breaking group setups. Some balance changes never made sense and some even affect realm balance as a whole.
In many cases you can overcome those disadvantages with numbers or coordination but it is still unreasonable.

[Garamore]

The lack of 6 man scen groups on destro that add to RvR when they think they can get lots of rps also affect why destro doesn't take many keeps. They are often enough to defend a postern or add to the wbs at the door and tip the balance.

Last night was 60-100% AAO to Destro which was awesome for fights!

[Everdin]

Sulorie wrote: Quite bad suggestion to punish people who are just loyal to their realm in order to punish those who xrealm. No ones punishing anyone.We're thinking, of ways to, BALANCE population levels. Do you think Sc's, ARE punishing people ? ? (because those have even numbers). ...t, got tons of thanks, for leading. Vote to UN-BAN, my account. Acidic also wrote: We have a loss of good warband leaders.

A player has only destro chars, he refuse to play order du to...whatever.
Destro is becoming strong and so all the filthy xrealmers join destro
Order has 30000000000% AAO
Player can't get progress
Player leave the game

After a couple of month the game would be perfectly balanced at 0/0

And before i forget, you are right, SC don't punisch people for even numbers, but unless SC where just the next one is open if there are enough people, there is no second server if one is "balanced"

[RORquest]

I think a large part of destro were using nerf buttons... Yes believe it and that is why slayer now is so OP with rampage+Retribution. Can't auto interrupt channeling spells cant instant shatter certain buffs cant auto interrupt BW spells cant auto interrupt Raze. Sure this goes both ways but does destro have rampage+Retribution ?

[Emissary]

Nerf Rampage

"Just shatter it"

"Free Nerfed Buttons 2023"

[wargrimnir]

Nerf Rampage

"Just shatter it"

"Free Nerfed Buttons 2023"

We could probably have a double-sided album worth of excuses why people lose in PvP. Not one of them being "It's my own fault somehow"

[Bozzax]

After 2008 - 2021 as dest only I rereolled order.

I marvel at the order bias in this game. My personal view order meta classes and comps are much better mostly bc dest strengths such as mrd/morale/chosen CS/IW spam/zele ap/dok/BO/shmy is still good by with nerfs AM is much better. Most dest classes are not what they used to be. Order classes are mostly untouched outside of kniggit tactics (solo) and BW insta tac and SW fester bomb

*** keep calm and play destro it is welll BALANCED ***

If you are in doubt check group ranked for example and coun destro wins by non order teams *lol*

[Evilspinnre]

One thing to consider is why currently destro is not taking zones or forts.

If you look back before the last “balance” patches you would notice destro were doing ok, look a little further back when there was an active 24v24 scene going on and decent city fights.

What changed a series of relatively heavy destro nerfs , result is visible, edjgy players went order .. as balance of realm is not what is was so a decent chunk of core destro was lost to xrealm type player

We have a loss of good warband leaders, we have ppl who actively encourage blobbing while weaker groups to survive just follow the one or two warbands that are organized.

In short the last set of “balance” patches produced this current situation and until “balance” is actual balance and we don’t see things like BHA spam, rampage, cdr one side on tank other on a dps, etc being brushed off as balanced the situation will stay as is or get worse.

Destro don't take zones because there are WB leaders that refuse to siege with 60% aao due to fear of wiping and would rather farm pugs at WC or zerg with 2-3 wbs while claiming to "look for fights", especially if there were self proclaimed #1 guild on live. Just takes balls.

Nothing wrong with blanace, destro have the advantage in RvR due to pulls and morale gain on tanks. Spend more time in good warbands and you'll realise this.