[BO]dulled down

[tazdingo]

you're an m3 bot and good in a funnel ... until a slayer shows up and switches off the single thing you can actually do well by pressing 1 button

sad class if you want a big greenskin roll choppa or msh if you want a good tank roll literally anything else

[pc308025]

BO has been in a rough spot for years, especially for 6v6 and roaming.

BOs suffers from a very simple problem. It brings nothing to the table except for a RNG Ini/wound steal, WS buff for a single target and a terrible armor debuff. That's the entirety of the class.

No utility, cannot KD on demand because of the plans mechanic, it cannot survive because You Wot?! is a meme that's only active 66% of the time, it cannot punt, it cannot deal damage because the damage it deals is mitigated by armor and the stat multipliers are lower than what they were from earlier in live, THC is 75 compared to 125 and Shut yer Face is 125 instead of 150 just off the top of my head.

Doesn't help that the stat squish on gear basically butchered all 2h tanks while making no real difference for dps classes. Outside of SM thanks to WoDs, 2h tanks cannot perform their job as bruisers in sov meta like they used to in the past and instead only use 2h weapons for the utility benefits such as striketrough for punts, Punt CD and making use of 2h restricted abilities. None of which are a gamechanger for BO.

To the people thinking a long punt will somehow help. It won't and if you think otherwise you have no idea what they're talking about. Nobody is going to trade a BG for a weaker punt, kd, armor debuff, wound debuff, no aoe snare, no Crimson Death only to get absolutely nothing game changing in return.

Giving a punt to BO is another poorly thought of bandaid fix that ends up doing nothing like You Wot?! was just to have an excuse to move on. No, the class does not need a punt (and especially not SMs), it needs a reason to exist.

100% agreed.

[Farrul]

I was forced to 'git good' and go SnB until I have BiS gear and invest 6 months to get RR 80 and the gear to be viable (still bad). A class for people who want to develop down S, dulled down to a guard bot. Literally ZERO damage as SnB, buffs and debuffs reduced to ashes.

BO need some sort of utility buff but it's more than playable, despite everything it is REALLY tanky.

As for dps, no tank class will do any meaningful damage as SnB unless they forego the stats that makes them tanky ( toughness, wounds etc and focus on strength/and or weapon skill). Having said that i agree with giving BO THC back to SnB and allow for some hybrid dps/tank gameplay it fits the physical BO well. Not sure why unique and cool stuff need to be removed in the first place, that makes the game more enjoyable as long as it is within balance.

[arturziomas]

(...) despite everything it is REALLY tanky.

... until a slayer shows up and switches off the single thing you can actually do well by pressing 1 button

[Bozzax]

Class got hit by a dev that said smt in the line of "cant be a dps in disguise". This was back in T3 when armor was T3-values made physical wo pentration shine while extra AOE-fluff numbers and crit-proc-meta made it look impressive.

Don't think it will be fixed tbh so better off playing the other 2

[Farrul]

(...) despite everything it is REALLY tanky.

... until a slayer shows up and switches off the single thing you can actually do well by pressing 1 button

Rampage/GTDC need to be nerfed/removed but that is another discussion. Bo is Tanky ( 85% of order dps consists of SW, bw dps AM and engineer's anyways).

[Baaldr]

(...) despite everything it is REALLY tanky.

... until a slayer shows up and switches off the single thing you can actually do well by pressing 1 button

Rampage/GTDC need to be nerfed/removed but that is another discussion. Bo is Tanky ( 85% of order dps consists of SW, bw dps AM and engineer's anyways).

Shield BO is tanky, 2-handed hes pretty squishy, as soon as You Wot is on cooldown you become very squishy, hence why so many BO's go 7 warlord for detaunt procc. Sadly that also nukes your dmg output, again reducing you to a guardbot.

[Farrul]

Rampage/GTDC need to be nerfed/removed but that is another discussion. Bo is Tanky ( 85% of order dps consists of SW, bw dps AM and engineer's anyways).

Shield BO is tanky, 2-handed hes pretty squishy, as soon as You Wot is on cooldown you become very squishy, hence why so many BO's go 7 warlord for detaunt procc. Sadly that also nukes your dmg output, again reducing you to a guardbot.

2h Bo hits really hard for tank, and You Wot still has 2/3 uptime. Whenever You Wot is on cd still got some stuff like greenest which is superior to the crappy SM version (Heavens blade) and the extra wounds from orc tactic. In large -scale all 2h tanks will melt in seconds except the elves (Wods, BG def 2h).

[Farrul]

edit:double

[Bozzax]

Why are you derailing with tanky argumentation. By itself tanky holds no real value and a BO is one of the easier classes to kite. Secondly since a slayer or two within 10" feet make you ultra squishy especially when guarding just makes it even more irrelevant (bc toughness and undef guard changes).

So you are tanky in theory and might I add not even the tankiest tank just ok