Return of Reckoning

Example:
An SW can EASILY beat a defensive WE if:
1. detaunt and heal through the WE opener
2. Whirling Pin then M1 Pointblank - this combo will leave the WE so far behind that their throwing daggers wont reach you
4. Takedown
5. Guerilla Training and Kite

GG any WE.

Now of course a skilled WE ...

I don't agree that the pounce is op but an adjustment could be a 20 sec cd instead of 30 sec, and it's not resettable by stealth. With this change, it would require a bit more skill to beat kiters. The same could be said about the WL pounce with a 10 sec cd.

You don't think it is op? Well ...

Yeah, that would be a start. If you think about it a WE in the right hands just counters everything.

Heal -> Heal debuff
Detaunt -> KD after open
Kiting -> Pounce, ranged kd, break root
Being seen -> stealth
Being focused -> self punt out or disappear
Getting hit by magic -> 7s 100% disrupt ...

Remove pounce, change dots dmg to physical and the class will be fixed.

Yeah, that would be a start. If you think about it a WE in the right hands just counters everything.

Heal -> Heal debuff
Detaunt -> KD after open
Kiting -> Pounce, ranged kd, break root
Being seen -> stealth
Being focused ...

Remove harbinger of doom/rune of breaking or give it a 1-2min cd. That would fix issues with the new sc queueing system and bring rp/zl more in line with other dps healer builds.

They have a 1.6k armor debuff, a strong self-heal, and, of course, they have a heal debuff; almost no one uses it since everything pops so fast.

No WL uses that heal debuff. It is outgoing and 14 points deep in the tree. What you want is incoming heal debuff. WE has both. That armor debuff is ...

lumpi33 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 11:31 pm

Yellowemperor wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 10:49 pm That was before the def WL buff last year and the Witchbrew nerf

recent kills don't look much different:
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/65949792

He killed a rp and?

it proves what we're saying: a stealth DPS hits as hard as a true DPS while having all the advantages of a stealth class and more.

It actually hits harder. btw: WL has no heal debuff and no strong 150 stats debuffs and no self punt stagger and no 100% armor ignore and no 600 absorb after crit ...

Solater
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ILWlqcwlYh8?si=FXSnhUDMXu6vhg7m[/youtube]

Killsattva

[youtube] https://youtu.be/QdErLxo3bao?si=Bk7_DAhIqkCCzRHX [/youtube]

All I see is balance, equal skilled players. WL just tears WE apart.

These are two def regen WEs. I've looked up that fights on ...

Kinda crazy how confidently incorrect Gunlinger is.
Maybe do a little reality check before you post again.

Literally the first video I find from live Witch Elf shows that FP worked on Agonizing wound with combat log visible in the clip.
The archmage is clearly facing him. He popped FP before ...