About WL's pet

[leondre25]

Pets in general are an issue
if you buff their survivalbility then you've made PvPet stronger

if you make their survivalbility weaker and increase their damage as compensation then its dead 100% of the time in group play. AND PvPet will still be just as annoying

if you make the pet a cosmetic walking buff (no damage, high tankiness) then why does it even exist?


no matter what you do. some aspect of pets will get a shaft.
no one finds it fun to die to a pet with little input from the owner.
no one finds it fun to have a pet that does absolutely nothing
and absolutely no one has a proper solution that will make everyone happy.

imo there has to be a hard line taken.
either make pets strong and tell roamers/lowman players to deal with it
or
make pets tanky and weak and tell SH/WL to deal with their cosmetic buff.

Other mmo games have done it successfully , i don't see why RoR could not. I mentioned WoW since it had both the large scale fights and roaming small scale encounters. Pets were fine in both modes.

RoR devs do not have to reinvent the wheel but just look at what worked in those games and adapt it to RoR.

The main thing for the WL pet would be to make it viable in large scale, then fixing the critical bugs and keep improving the AI which still struggles a lot in certain situations. Loner could exist as an option but no as the mandatory replacement in the WB content.

no they have not.

WoW allows pets to do damage only through the input of the owner by nuking all of the owners damage(see BM hunter, Demo Lock). really bad personal damage but great pet damage only through the owners input.
the WoW classes that deal their own personal damage like Marksman/Survival/Affli/Destruction their pets are glorified cosmetic buffs with 1/2 utilities attached to them

Rift had pet classes and they did absolutely 0 damage in PVP and Died to the slightest bit of aoe pressure

Lotro has Loremaster and loremaster pets are damn near cosmetic unless you play blue line in which case you do no damage AND you are useless.

Gw2 Necro/Ranger you got me there. but you have to invest in the pets to make the pets useful at the shocking cost of.... making yourself weaker

DaoC pet classes. most of the damage comes from the pet and not the caster. or the pet is utility while the caster is the damage. cant really have it both ways.

there could be examples i am missing but this is every mmo i can remember that had both small scale pvp(Scenarios) and Large scale pvp(at minimum 40v40).

and pet classes usually suck ass the higher the player count.

[DevanShell]

There a few solutions to AOE problem regarding pets already in the game (as mentioned above):

1. Revenge tactic (50% more dmg after pet dies for 10s), its possible to run a pet AOE build in 12 mans for example with more of a burst aoe playstyle in contrast to loner which offers more like a brawler playstyle. Especially good in kiting partys/WBs

2. Stances: trained to threaten is very good. makes your quite tanky + aoe armor debuff. Lion usuallly lives more than 10-15s in a blob as long as your are not in the "death zone".

3. Positioning: if you are playing Single target Lion with a pet you are not a good brawler like Mara/choppa. You should play like a burst class. You pounce in, burst, get out and look for a new target. Use pet for utility and stay away from AOE.


The Pet overall is on one hand the strongest part of the class (utility, burst dps, kiting ability) and on the other hand especially in 6vs6, where its commonly used, the weakest part if people CC or simply kill it. I have no idea how to balance it properly. right now it seems it punishes bad opponents and against very good players it completly falls off.

[Battlefield]

Or another option Lion's pet will get aoe group healing from healers in melee blob

[Cavaleironegro]

Why don't you suggest nerfing WL? Or do you not agree with how unbalanced it is? This class has become ridiculous due to how easy it is to do damage using just 1 skill.

[leondre25]

Why don't you suggest nerfing WL? Or do you not agree with how unbalanced it is? This class has become ridiculous due to how easy it is to do damage using just 1 skill.

WL is holding up the entirety of orders Melee dps. nerfing it without any further changes would just kill the game.

unless you want all of order to quit and destro PVDoor all day.
unnerfing slayers is also an option

[Rydiak]

Let's keep on topic and avoid the ad hominems, everyone. Thank you.

[REWENGA]

WL is holding up the entirety of orders Melee dps. nerfing it without any further changes would just kill the game.

unless you want all of order to quit and destro PVDoor all day.
unnerfing slayers is also an option

about melee AOE dps in WB

destro has 2 classes with good aoe (choppa, msh) and 1 class with lower aoe (mara)
order ha 1 class with good aoe (slayer) and 1 class with superior aoe (lion)

now, about balance, the number of dps in any org wb is 8. at his best destro can slot 8 good aoe dps, while order 8 superior aoe dps.

debuffing WL mens only that more slayer will be grped in WB

[vanbuinen77]

Wl does need a nerf.

85% ar pen and the best mobility in the game.

[Ruin]

Wl does need a nerf.

85% ar pen and the best mobility in the game.

id say that best mobility in game belongs to SH, not WL since SH have the same as Wl + more, and also your comment does not touches the subject of pet at all. mby learn to stick to subject of the thread?

[Battlefield]

Why don't you suggest nerfing WL? Or do you not agree with how unbalanced it is? This class has become ridiculous due to how easy it is to do damage using just 1 skill.

WL already got a lot of nerfs...I played as a Lion in 20-21 and now I noticed about 5-6 nerfs and after Slayer I don't think it's worth it.

And I'll even say more, I've reached 78rr bought a sovereign and I'm planning to change class.