Scenarios are nothing but stomps anymore and favor Order

[Nevermore2000]

Scenarios have come to a point where they have become just pointless to play. Especially for the events. 9 out of 10 matches are pure stomps for Order. And not only because Destro is clueless and doesn't know whom to target or how to play the map objectives but also since the game seems to constantly favor Order: You queue solo but are regularly matched against premades. Or your team has the worst comps ever like a bunch of healers or squishies while Order comes with several tanks and heavy melee DPS frontline. And can we all agree that WLs are completely busted and Destro has nothing that matches them mirror-wise?

It is no longer fun to play scenarios. I played this game back in the days on live and enjoyed scenarios very much. I spent most of the time playing scenarios. Today I often do not even finish the events anymore because especially those have become just pointless stomps because lots of people jump into scenarios then and have no clue how to play - but strangely enough the game still constantly finds premades on Order side to match Destro against them. In most matches people either vote surrender or just leave or sit in the spawn after the first fight went downhill. And this happens after a few seconds already. It is not even fair anymore. I don't mind losing if you put up a good and euqal fight. But when you see that the health bars of the opponents aren't droppingat all while they clash into you and steamroll you in just 5 seconds, then the whole game mode just loses all its credibility.

To finish an event you would have to play so many matches with the current 1:9 winrate on destro side, that it is a big waste of time. Even worse are those scenarios like the one that is up right now with Garden of Morr where you also have to finish special tasks like killing the vampires. Guess what. In all the matches I played on Destro side we have killed ZERO of the vampires! Nada! Impossible to finish with the current matchmaking. Same thing happens regularly in those scenarios where you need to capture and hold one BO.

Seriously, when people queue solo, the game should out you up against other solo players only as well and not against premades.

[Rydiak]

Have you tried joining/creating a group of your own to fight the enemy group that is in queue? When you join a group queue, it is quite expectant to fight enemy groups. You'll stand a much better chance at defeating an organized group by getting organized on your side of the SC.

[havartii]

SC's are very punishing if you go solo. Try making a group or join one. The game wont change. But you can.

[Nameless]

I dont agree with orders getting favouring but beside that scens are made total waste of time and sadly that is made deliberately following some guidance from some sweaty top premades. So nowadays scens are ruined for everyone esle.

On live ive played 90% of the time scens where you didnt have surrender options you enter and you suffer the whole 15 mins but gosh was much better existence. On live you had guards as comeback mechanic which could work if better side is too careless. And even if u cant done full comeback you got constant 15 min fight near guards. And weaker side could always score some renown if guards made the kill so u have goal to fight and try even when loosing hard.

Now your comeback mechanic is idle at wc till surrender vote at 11. No thanks.

How this is not visible for devs is beyond me but less and less ppl play scens and even premades got wait time even at prime. The whole scen system is heavily busted and if there is no some significant change that game mode will just die

[wardfan220]

That's funny, there's nothing in this game that favors Order

[saupreusse]

I dont agree with orders getting favouring but beside that scens are made total waste of time and sadly that is made deliberately following some guidance from some sweaty top premades. So nowadays scens are ruined for everyone esle.

On live ive played 90% of the time scens where you didnt have surrender options you enter and you suffer the whole 15 mins but gosh was much better existence. On live you had guards as comeback mechanic which could work if better side is too careless. And even if u cant done full comeback you got constant 15 min fight near guards. And weaker side could always score some renown if guards made the kill so u have goal to fight and try even when loosing hard.

Now your comeback mechanic is idle at wc till surrender vote at 11. No thanks.

How this is not visible for devs is beyond me but less and less ppl play scens and even premades got wait time even at prime. The whole scen system is heavily busted and if there is no some significant change that game mode will just die

I believe the devs already acknowledged this as a problem. I was told it is part of the scenario rework that is going on behind the curtains.

[Nameless]

Nothing shows that, quite opposite there are hidden, non announced changed that make the problem worse like more guards disappeared (twisted tower scen for example).
And these changes will be guided by the sweaty premade loybist so prolly will become even worse like adding health penalty after certain time for 6v6 ranked which totally killed it (not that was so popular anyway)

There are 3 basic things that should be rolled back and then work of the whole system
Remove barriers
Add guards on proper spots
Add guard kills renown to be shared between players
Then work on match making and other stuff.

[Sinisterror]

Nothing shows that, quite opposite there are hidden, non announced changed that make the problem worse like more guards disappeared (twisted tower scen for example).
And these changes will be guided by the sweaty premade loybist so prolly will become even worse like adding health penalty after certain time for 6v6 ranked which totally killed it (not that was so popular anyway)

There are 3 basic things that should be rolled back and then work of the whole system
Remove barriers
Add guards on proper spots
Add guard kills renown to be shared between players
Then work on match making and other stuff.

100% this. Its so stupid to rig the game from the beginning. Solo quer's get less renown,Sc pops and those sc's that pop are against premade if there is one in que. And its done for no other reason than some people know eachother and want it like that, to have unfair advantage and the game being super controlled so RvR is nothing but farming its not even done with PvP in mind imo.

If you were in Sc party in Aor but your team was being slaughtered but if you managed to get away from your base and solo kill someone it was always like 3k renown at least per kill. In RoR ive gotten under 1k renown killing 3 Solo in Scs vs 10k in Aor. Both solo que but not "Soloing" in sc's which means not in a party.

Solo quer's dont want to literally solo the game, they want easy and fast access to the PvP and that is Scs, and there you form teams and bonds with other random queing people and should be reward much more renown.

[dawaaaghhh]

Have you tried joining/creating a group of your own to fight the enemy group that is in queue? When you join a group queue, it is quite expectant to fight enemy groups. You'll stand a much better chance at defeating an organized group by getting organized on your side of the SC.

Stop lying. People see it's not the same thing on order side.
Is anyone here who can give the sc stats :
- how many times destro play without healer ?
- how many times destro play outnumbered ?

[dawaaaghhh]

Scenarios have come to a point where they have become just pointless to play. Especially for the events. 9 out of 10 matches are pure stomps for Order. And not only because Destro is clueless and doesn't know whom to target or how to play the map objectives but also since the game seems to constantly favor Order: You queue solo but are regularly matched against premades. Or your team has the worst comps ever like a bunch of healers or squishies while Order comes with several tanks and heavy melee DPS frontline. And can we all agree that WLs are completely busted and Destro has nothing that matches them mirror-wise?

It is no longer fun to play scenarios. I played this game back in the days on live and enjoyed scenarios very much. I spent most of the time playing scenarios. Today I often do not even finish the events anymore because especially those have become just pointless stomps because lots of people jump into scenarios then and have no clue how to play - but strangely enough the game still constantly finds premades on Order side to match Destro against them. In most matches people either vote surrender or just leave or sit in the spawn after the first fight went downhill. And this happens after a few seconds already. It is not even fair anymore. I don't mind losing if you put up a good and euqal fight. But when you see that the health bars of the opponents aren't droppingat all while they clash into you and steamroll you in just 5 seconds, then the whole game mode just loses all its credibility.

To finish an event you would have to play so many matches with the current 1:9 winrate on destro side, that it is a big waste of time. Even worse are those scenarios like the one that is up right now with Garden of Morr where you also have to finish special tasks like killing the vampires. Guess what. In all the matches I played on Destro side we have killed ZERO of the vampires! Nada! Impossible to finish with the current matchmaking. Same thing happens regularly in those scenarios where you need to capture and hold one BO.

Seriously, when people queue solo, the game should out you up against other solo players only as well and not against premades.

Agree with you but :

1- Devs don't care about this matchmaker and don't communicate at all about it.
2- They don't listen to the community but only the big guilds of the server and their premade group.
3- You waste your time : always the same answers (learn to play, make a group, join a guild, its the same thing on order side, bla bla bla)

Class of the moment : dps wp who deals more than a classical dps class (31 kills last sc)