Scenarios just don't make sense anymore

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Nevermore2000
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Scenarios just don't make sense anymore

Post#1 » Sat May 24, 2025 7:23 am

Scenarios are no longer fun. They are a huge pain and every event is a chore if you have to finish scenario goals.

You are constantly matched against Order premades when you queue solo and on Destro side there is never any focus at all. While I, as a healer, are constantly directly surrouned by the whole enemy Order team and are beating to death in a few seconds, my Destro players are everywhere and hit on the tanks. Matches with 0 points on Destro side happen all the time. Not even one kill in a match - I mean, that says everything.

You need like 10 matches to hopefully win one. And you win this only because you might run into an even worse Order pug team not because Destro suddenly knows how to focus healers. This game mode is just atrocious. I stopped playing scenarios during the week because there is just no point in playing them anymore. I am just frustrated all the time and a game should be fun not frustration.

I feel like scenarios are built to be Order one-sided. How comes you constantly run into Order premades and hardly are matched with premades on Destro side? Statistically this should even out at some point but it does not. Scenarios are just an easy RR farming ground for the Order community because without any opposition at all they can ramp up kills and RR easily.

Instead of reworking useless T3 quests that hardly anyone does anyway because questing is useless when you get better items with crests, the focus in this game should be on the PvP experience. And this experience is the worst when it comes to scenarios. I liked to play scenarios on live back in the days. There it was fun and you had long and even matches. Today you run into Order and die after 10s. Then people wait in spawn until they can vote surrender. THAT is the PvP experience today in scenarios!

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saupreusse
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Re: Scenarios just don't make sense anymore

Post#2 » Sat May 24, 2025 7:30 am

Different people work on different things you know. Also scenarios dont favor order. Ask an order pug and he will tell you the same about destro. I agree that going solo against premades is not very fun for the side that is getting stomped.

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Post#3 » Sat May 24, 2025 8:28 am

I expect the dev team will address the state of scenarios soon.
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Post#4 » Sat May 24, 2025 9:02 am

nice bias

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Post#5 » Sat May 24, 2025 9:38 am

Play Order and you will start to complain about Destro premades. :)
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Post#6 » Sat May 24, 2025 9:54 am

saupreusse wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 7:30 am Different people work on different things you know. Also scenarios dont favor order. Ask an order pug and he will tell you the same about destro. I agree that going solo against premades is not very fun for the side that is getting stomped.
It is not just limited to "not very fun". As long as one side has more premades in the queue, the match maker panics and tries to created matches for premades as fast as it can. They seem to have priority. On the side with more premades, solos don't get pops anymore. On the side with less premades, pugs are consantly fed to the premades due to match maker panic. There is no holdout consideration for queue time implemented in the match maker. A proper algorithm that considers time queued, premade size, average equipment / rr (low rr premades can be matched against higher solos for example) and some sort of fun factor (considering how long matches were before, how was the win / lose, how many kills) needs to be implemented, to at least try and create better matches. Bucket functionality with every 30 seconds / every minute matches are created and transparency in game to see whats in queue at the moment. Also a redefined reward structure - kills should take renown away from the end reward and a break even point should be created at ~ 35-40 kills, where killing more is worth it.

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Post#7 » Sat May 24, 2025 11:02 am

I started playing again in January and I managed to complete every sc event so far in solo/duo. I play during EU primetime usually. Yesterday I played 1h and 30 minutes, from 10pm to 11.30pm (roughly) EU time. I played in solo in 8 scenarios. 5 wins and 3 losses. I made more than 100 kills. Tonight I will play the SC two more times and the event will be done.

Yesterday night describes my experience with the SC event in the last 5 months. I'm having a really hard time to empathize with the OP. Is it because we play in different timezones? I really don't understand. I see a lot of people complaining about sc on the forum lately by so far my experience with SCs was not so bad.
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Re: Scenarios just don't make sense anymore

Post#8 » Sat May 24, 2025 12:29 pm

Nevermore2000 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 7:23 am Scenarios are no longer fun. They are a huge pain and every event is a chore if you have to finish scenario goals.

You are constantly matched against Order premades when you queue solo and on Destro side there is never any focus at all. While I, as a healer, are constantly directly surrouned by the whole enemy Order team and are beating to death in a few seconds, my Destro players are everywhere and hit on the tanks. Matches with 0 points on Destro side happen all the time. Not even one kill in a match - I mean, that says everything.

You need like 10 matches to hopefully win one. And you win this only because you might run into an even worse Order pug team not because Destro suddenly knows how to focus healers. This game mode is just atrocious. I stopped playing scenarios during the week because there is just no point in playing them anymore. I am just frustrated all the time and a game should be fun not frustration.

I feel like scenarios are built to be Order one-sided. How comes you constantly run into Order premades and hardly are matched with premades on Destro side? Statistically this should even out at some point but it does not. Scenarios are just an easy RR farming ground for the Order community because without any opposition at all they can ramp up kills and RR easily.

Instead of reworking useless T3 quests that hardly anyone does anyway because questing is useless when you get better items with crests, the focus in this game should be on the PvP experience. And this experience is the worst when it comes to scenarios. I liked to play scenarios on live back in the days. There it was fun and you had long and even matches. Today you run into Order and die after 10s. Then people wait in spawn until they can vote surrender. THAT is the PvP experience today in scenarios!
Problem is the same on other side too, its not about which side you play its about how you queue scenarios, scenario matchmaking favours parties over solo players. You will have the same experience if you make a character on order side and solo queue as well because matchmaker creates a match for a party than fills the other side with whatever is in queue they rarely face other premades
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Post#9 » Sat May 24, 2025 1:35 pm

saupreusse wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 7:30 amAlso scenarios dont favor order.
Normally that is true but colleague scen is very order biased. On order side you can fall back to spot that you got guard protection while on destro you got camp into the barrier and the fall back way is thu the damn lava pits. This map is ridicules unbalanced and doesnt make any sense
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Post#10 » Sat May 24, 2025 5:01 pm

Dont waste your time it's always the same answers :
bla bla bla its the same thing on order side
make premade...

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