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Nauht
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#21 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:22 am

Re Order vs Dest classes and population imbalance -
A month or so ago I would have been fired up somewhat - Destro pride! But now that I actually have Order chars and realise that there's really no difference with players behind the screens, I'm ok with how things are. I just play the game, as is everyone else Order or Dest, and it's not my problem to fix.

WL is fun. It has so many tools and so much upfront damage... or aoe. Having a choice of being on the dominant side at will is fun cos I like winning when I'm gaming. If that's Dest for the night, I play Dest. But lately for NA times it's been Order more.

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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#22 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:46 pm

saupreusse wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 6:43 pmWl is super fun. No need to twist my words.

Except I didn't do that. In fact, in my post I didn't mention you at all. Damn.
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#23 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 3:29 pm

Scragmuncher wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:29 am Order only have 2 AOE Mpds compared to Destro's 3. 1 of those 2 classes was hit by several fairly heavy nerfs, some needed, some definitely not.
It is no surprise that there are so many WL atm as that is the situation that the whole faction was forced to deal with.
WL is strong at the moment no doubt, but not as much as people make it out to be, but of course Destro are getting killed by WLs all the time as it is, by necessity, the most commonly played mdps class for half of the server.
It also doesn't help Destro that the class that can counter WL effectively and has the mirror of their 360 aoe also seems to be one of the least played mele classes.
Too many gated skills on that class, also it only does 50% or so of the damage as the WL attack. Could be wrong, been awhile since i played mine.
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#24 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 5:49 pm

Martok wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:46 pm
saupreusse wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 6:43 pmWl is super fun. No need to twist my words.

Except I didn't do that. In fact, in my post I didn't mention you at all. Damn.
Ok ;)

Bozao
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#25 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 7:41 pm

Once there is a class for children to play, it is easy to make videos spinning... :lol:

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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#26 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:22 pm

Akalukz wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 3:29 pm
Scragmuncher wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:29 am Order only have 2 AOE Mpds compared to Destro's 3. 1 of those 2 classes was hit by several fairly heavy nerfs, some needed, some definitely not.
It is no surprise that there are so many WL atm as that is the situation that the whole faction was forced to deal with.
WL is strong at the moment no doubt, but not as much as people make it out to be, but of course Destro are getting killed by WLs all the time as it is, by necessity, the most commonly played mdps class for half of the server.
It also doesn't help Destro that the class that can counter WL effectively and has the mirror of their 360 aoe also seems to be one of the least played mele classes.
Too many gated skills on that class, also it only does 50% or so of the damage as the WL attack. Could be wrong, been awhile since i played mine.
It's something like that - the Entropy & Chaos math guy probably has the exact %.
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#27 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:30 pm

Nauht wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:22 am Re Order vs Dest classes and population imbalance -
A month or so ago I would have been fired up somewhat - Destro pride! But now that I actually have Order chars and realise that there's really no difference with players behind the screens, I'm ok with how things are. I just play the game, as is everyone else Order or Dest, and it's not my problem to fix.

WL is fun. It has so many tools and so much upfront damage... or aoe. Having a choice of being on the dominant side at will is fun cos I like winning when I'm gaming. If that's Dest for the night, I play Dest. But lately for NA times it's been Order more.
so you basicly switch to winning side ?? imagine everyone do that you dont see a problem ?

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leftayparxoun
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#28 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:47 pm

Illuminati wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:22 pm
Akalukz wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 3:29 pm Too many gated skills on that class, also it only does 50% or so of the damage as the WL attack. Could be wrong, been awhile since i played mine.
It's something like that - the Entropy & Chaos math guy probably has the exact %.
link to the analysis I did a while ago

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and if WW / FOTWK are active for both

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Nauht
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#29 » Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:42 pm

tsyuryu wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:30 pm
so you basicly switch to winning side ?? imagine everyone do that you dont see a problem ?
Oh it's definitely a problem... but like I said, it's not my problem to fix. I play games to be relaxed and have fun not to get frustrated or aggravated.

And I'm just honest about it. Plenty of people x-realm but it's like they don't want others to know.. like they think that people know them irl or something.

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Scragmuncher
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Re: Order N/A time RVR

Post#30 » Wed Jun 04, 2025 5:47 am

Illuminati wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 9:22 pm
Akalukz wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 3:29 pm
Scragmuncher wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:29 am Order only have 2 AOE Mpds compared to Destro's 3. 1 of those 2 classes was hit by several fairly heavy nerfs, some needed, some definitely not.
It is no surprise that there are so many WL atm as that is the situation that the whole faction was forced to deal with.
WL is strong at the moment no doubt, but not as much as people make it out to be, but of course Destro are getting killed by WLs all the time as it is, by necessity, the most commonly played mdps class for half of the server.
It also doesn't help Destro that the class that can counter WL effectively and has the mirror of their 360 aoe also seems to be one of the least played mele classes.
Too many gated skills on that class, also it only does 50% or so of the damage as the WL attack. Could be wrong, been awhile since i played mine.
It's something like that - the Entropy & Chaos math guy probably has the exact %.
Yeah its quite the opposite, with FTWK a geared MSH has higher 360 aoe dps than WL(on paper at least), while also having access to far more utility and one of the strongest debuffs in the game.
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