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Akalukz
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#11 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:25 pm

yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:52 pm They dont need nerf (wl) it's all the other dps that need buff. Since global cooldown change it nerf any kind of dmg since pet is extra dmg it makes alot of differance. They wont do it but bringing back old global cooldow would fix pretty much all the melee dps. If not you gota boost all their raw dps.
This, don't nerf, buff the others. Game is too easily played defensively and still all dps pack a punch. Get rid of super defenisive / regen while retain high levels of dps. It should be one or the other. not both.

(on an off question, does any other MPDS class get a weapon that will snare attackers?)
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#12 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:28 pm

yep WL is not on the same level as a dps class even compared to its other order dps like SW engi etc. wish they were balanced but hey unlucky
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#13 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 2:46 pm

yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:52 pm They dont need nerf (wl) it's all the other dps that need buff. Since global cooldown change it nerf any kind of dmg since pet is extra dmg it makes alot of differance. They wont do it but bringing back old global cooldow would fix pretty much all the melee dps. If not you gota boost all their raw dps.
Thats even dumber

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Ruin
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#14 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:17 pm

Neznan wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:46 am WL are super overpowered.
Unfortunatelly I have a natural negative to play Order, but if I don't bother about what side to play, I would 100% chose to play WL, without any options.

1. Super DPS
2. Super tanky (easy to focuse and kill tanks, than WL)
3. Tons of untility, like all other classes in one.
4. It is shame to watch how Maras try to pull targets, while WL Pets are pulling you from any distance unders any conditions and you just simply can't do anything to prevent pet's pull.

It is only "Hide/Incogniuto" skill that WL are missing.
as a WL player who rolled Mara i have to disagree with point 4, WL pull is harder to execute, than Marauder one, and requires a loot more investment.

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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#15 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:19 pm

Akalukz wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:25 pm
yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:52 pm They dont need nerf (wl) it's all the other dps that need buff. Since global cooldown change it nerf any kind of dmg since pet is extra dmg it makes alot of differance. They wont do it but bringing back old global cooldow would fix pretty much all the melee dps. If not you gota boost all their raw dps.
This, don't nerf, buff the others. Game is too easily played defensively and still all dps pack a punch. Get rid of super defenisive / regen while retain high levels of dps. It should be one or the other. not both.

(on an off question, does any other MPDS class get a weapon that will snare attackers?)
100% This. Cannot be overstated how much of a difference 25% faster(original) GCD makes the game feel like it flows smoothly. Every class had something insanely OP like dps wp having Wrath morale 4 10second aoe Disarm/Silence and 2k dmg or something. Potionsmorales etc were off Gcd as well Adding top the clunkiness and slow feel alot.
To your off question! Every class used to get snare proc wpn from Tier 4 epic quests for wpns, or rr 38i influence check imgur link some examples. 43% Snare proc was available probably to all who use 1h's and some 2h's as well

https://imgur.com/a/4q14Hfs Warlord is Interesting because IB had 7pc 30% less guard dmg, which obviously is awesome and think about 9ae cap on top of that, it really means something : D you also can buy one 2% Crit Offensive stats jewelry for 25g. Onslaught Jewelry was the name. 180 all resis debuff on 2pc jewel set rank 35. Same rank for 444 armour debuff 2pc jewel set stacks with every armour debuff-

Every class used to get at least 1 snare proc in something. And 63 or 60 dps Wpn on Dok had 46% Snare for 9s and it stacked with Snare covenant + Snare to something like 80% Snare <3 If you had 66 dps 880 Armour debuff proc sword for DoK with this Snare proc on another wpn making Dok have good dmg and Insane snare lvls. Darkpromise had and i hope will have 60dps 1h and 97dps 2h and they dropped on any boss. Sentinel instance had proc wpns as well.

Those imgur i posted set RR and Set bonuses were applied in RoR then it would be much more fair and engaging and surprise surprise you are going to die and it does not matter it is literally the part that makes this game. Odjira should make come back with "True timestamping" That would take care alot of the performance issues that extra checks everywhere in the casting caused.

Also it meant that if I use Chillwind Resis debuff tactic, in combat i need to do chillwind first because if you go Vot or Wop first,Neither skill dmg wouldnt be affected by the resis debuff because "True Timestamping" So whatever buffs and debuffs you had at that moment you got that buff or debuff. Much simpler than all the time check it if anything changed-

It made skills more meaningful because it wasnt pure random
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#16 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:14 pm

Sinisterror wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:19 pm
Akalukz wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:25 pm
yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:52 pm They dont need nerf (wl) it's all the other dps that need buff. Since global cooldown change it nerf any kind of dmg since pet is extra dmg it makes alot of differance. They wont do it but bringing back old global cooldow would fix pretty much all the melee dps. If not you gota boost all their raw dps.
This, don't nerf, buff the others. Game is too easily played defensively and still all dps pack a punch. Get rid of super defenisive / regen while retain high levels of dps. It should be one or the other. not both.

(on an off question, does any other MPDS class get a weapon that will snare attackers?)
100% This. Cannot be overstated how much of a difference 25% faster(original) GCD makes the game feel like it flows smoothly. Every class had something insanely OP like dps wp having Wrath morale 4 10second aoe Disarm/Silence and 2k dmg or something. Potionsmorales etc were off Gcd as well Adding top the clunkiness and slow feel alot.
To your off question! Every class used to get snare proc wpn from Tier 4 epic quests for wpns, or rr 38i influence check imgur link some examples. 43% Snare proc was available probably to all who use 1h's and some 2h's as well

https://imgur.com/a/4q14Hfs Warlord is Interesting because IB had 7pc 30% less guard dmg, which obviously is awesome and think about 9ae cap on top of that, it really means something : D you also can buy one 2% Crit Offensive stats jewelry for 25g. Onslaught Jewelry was the name. 180 all resis debuff on 2pc jewel set rank 35. Same rank for 444 armour debuff 2pc jewel set stacks with every armour debuff-

Every class used to get at least 1 snare proc in something. And 63 or 60 dps Wpn on Dok had 46% Snare for 9s and it stacked with Snare covenant + Snare to something like 80% Snare <3 If you had 66 dps 880 Armour debuff proc sword for DoK with this Snare proc on another wpn making Dok have good dmg and Insane snare lvls. Darkpromise had and i hope will have 60dps 1h and 97dps 2h and they dropped on any boss. Sentinel instance had proc wpns as well.

Those imgur i posted set RR and Set bonuses were applied in RoR then it would be much more fair and engaging and surprise surprise you are going to die and it does not matter it is literally the part that makes this game. Odjira should make come back with "True timestamping" That would take care alot of the performance issues that extra checks everywhere in the casting caused.

Also it meant that if I use Chillwind Resis debuff tactic, in combat i need to do chillwind first because if you go Vot or Wop first,Neither skill dmg wouldnt be affected by the resis debuff because "True Timestamping" So whatever buffs and debuffs you had at that moment you got that buff or debuff. Much simpler than all the time check it if anything changed-

It made skills more meaningful because it wasnt pure random
sorry bro but is there a single post of your where you are not mentioning the aor weapon procs? lol let it go

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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#17 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:12 am

I am so old I remember when Slayer was the mega OP class that destro whined about all day on the forum.

Now its WL? Kind of seems like all you destro have a problem with losing a fight.

I would be more than happy for them to revert changes and bring back rampage.
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#18 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:26 am

yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:52 pm They dont need nerf (wl) it's all the other dps that need buff. Since global cooldown change it nerf any kind of dmg since pet is extra dmg it makes alot of differance. They wont do it but bringing back old global cooldow would fix pretty much all the melee dps. If not you gota boost all their raw dps.
absolutely not. if every other class gets up to WL levels of damage, i will never touch a healer again and i assure you it'll be the same for the few healers that are left after the heal patch.
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#19 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:44 am

Neznan wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:46 am2. Super tanky (easy to focuse and kill tanks, than WL)
3. Tons of untility, like all other classes in one.
4. It is shame to watch how Maras try to pull targets, while WL Pets are pulling you from any distance unders any conditions and you just simply can't do anything to prevent pet's pull.

It is only "Hide/Incogniuto" skill that WL are missing.
Of course this is completely wrong.

2) Wait, WL is also tanky now? :) . Medium armor class with no self-heal, no armor reduction proc, you confuse WL with the tanky Mara. WL got mobility, Mara is the tanky MDPS.

3) What is this utility? AOE spec is mostly raw DPS, pet can't be used in large scale effectively. Compared to Mara it has less way less utility. Mara AOE KD, AOE morale Burn, AOE ini/ws debuff etc.

4) Mara Pull is still superior, it can be used in any scale conflict. WL pull is very nasty in small scale but PET vill evaporate in any larger fight.
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Re: Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

Post#20 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:13 am

yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:52 pmThey dont need nerf (wl) it's all the other dps that need buff. Since global cooldown change it nerf any kind of dmg since pet is extra dmg it makes alot of differance. They wont do it but bringing back old global cooldow would fix pretty much all the melee dps. If not you gota boost all their raw dps.
They probably will since they have nerf class paradigm currently and post like yours add to their vision of nerfing classes. WL mdps looks decent in comparison to the nerfed slayer, nerfed WH. WL in reality is inferior to how it used to be a few years ago.

The real reason many players left is because they have nerfed everything so much. Do you remember when BO had YOU Wot? When slayers were the reason every Destro came here to complain at least a few times a week. When WE was immortal in 1vs1 and could 1vs3 people easily? When Kotbs actually could make dps? When ASW was not a completely joke like today etc?

Well i guess devs can nerf WL to join the mediocre. This server will be known as nerf server.

P.S. Also your 1st post is wrong about one thing, Magus will defeat a WL 1vs1. Magi way better 1vs1 class than WL, except for crushing goblins :) .

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