Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

[Kylashandra]

Yes, WL is the epitome of what is wrong with the game right now(as stated by previous posts, GCD changes, too many control tools, too high dmg on the pet itself), because the main issue is that some of this unbalance is invisible in mass RvR, but very impactful in small scale / SC settings. The 2H WP is also currently very overtuned and very often leading the DPS charts in premade SCs. But the majority won't notice since those specs that were recently updated are not used outside of small scale settings. However, this game is not solely a mass RvR game, and some specs clearly made for small scale.

These specs should also be carefully balanced to make this type of game format enjoyable for everyone, the same goes for the gear (regen specs/gear are clearly a big downside for small scale, making it no longer a skill check but a stat check).

[MercifulClaws]

Slayers were the Meta to counter Destro Melee Mrder/Choppa ball. Slayers got Nerf. Choopas everywhere. WL is best we can do as Melee atm. Buff the slayer so we can have WL's and Slayers in WBs. If WL gets nerf like slayer, order won't really have any melee class to counter the standard Choppa arm waving in the air, no?

[Illuminati]

Slayers were the Meta to counter Destro Melee Mrder/Choppa ball. Slayers got Nerf. Choopas everywhere. WL is best we can do as Melee atm. Buff the slayer so we can have WL's and Slayers in WBs. If WL gets nerf like slayer, order won't really have any melee class to counter the standard Choppa arm waving in the air, no?

Assuming you want a melee vs melee meta?

The Order Meta is front lining the strongest defensive tanks and ranging around them until someone gets low, then pounce city while taking advantage of ranged knockdowns...

Slayers were incredibly broken, not slightly broken. ID removed Challenge easily and Rampage created un-Guardable damage versus Choppa's chaotic pull. Slayers are still good just need to be guarded / focus healed, like all the Choppa's on Destro.

Order can create a melee front line that is just as good but suffers from lack of Slayers due to WL being >>>>> Slayers. I would argue if the best 24 players could play themselves, their Order WB, 6-man, Solo, and 12-man setups would win most of the time.

Order melee:
-SM (Yes, the highest dmg dealing tank in the game with insane utility (Dragons' Talon/Raking Talon, Phoenix's Wing)
-Slayer
-WL

Destro melee:
-Choppa
-mSH
-Marauder

Order won't do that however since the Ranged classes are so strong and WL as a melee is at least 1.5x stronger than any other DPS in the game in terms of damage + utility + mobility + defense. The Destro melee superiority you perceive is simply due to the population imbalance created by high elves being overpowered and ranged.

Why drive an Audi-Slayer when you can drive a Ferrari-WL?

[Speedyluck]

has been like that for 5+ years. WL is so broken and seems like its gonna stay broken forever.

[saiho]

absolutely not. if every other class gets up to WL levels of damage, i will never touch a healer again and i assure you it'll be the same for the few healers that are left after the heal patch.

Sounds like a skill issue I cant lie, healing numbers are stupidly high in this game already and if you have a semi competent healer you can take on the world, cant even begin to describe how many 2v5+s ive won with having a skilled healer next to me

LMAO i have full armor talis, 9k+ hp, -20% to be crit etc. WL still auto attacks me for 1200+. WL and 2h slayer are the only classes to be able to kill me in a 1v1. WL doesnt even have a heal debuff lmao. literally 100% uptime class. i get 100-20% hp in a single WL knockdown essentially in a full tank setup. WL is absurd. there is a reason everyone and their nan is playing one at the current. why WBs are stacking them, why every solo roam order you see is a WL. they counter every single class except 2h regen tanks and even then can just walk away. absolute meme class.

Maybe you should add Dreamerboy ask for advice, hes just an RR6X Zealot but Ive seen him solo heal in 6 mans again multiple WLs no problem, few of the actually good players on Destro side

[mazi761111]

Why is the pet speed of WL faster than my mount？

[Farrul]

Yes, WL is the epitome of what is wrong with the game right now

No, but nice opportunistic complaining anyways. I guess this reflects what destro players invest their daily energy into.

What is epitome of what is wrong with the ''game'' right now?

1) Stale boring campaign. This has been killing the spirit of the game for a long time.

2) Scenarios, devs need to fix them.

3) Nerf paradigm, the game has become less fun over the last couple of years due to the class nerfs. Nerfing WL will not fix anything, it will only add to this issue. Devs should be looking at empowering classes, bring back the fun, not nerf everything to mediocre.

4) Lack of new content ( since the ability patch has been ''rebuilding everything''). We need the new dungeon, lotd etc and stuff like these.

Hence comments like yours, is the kind of opinion which reflects a lot of which is wrong with the game right now.

[Florian90210]

Slayers were the Meta to counter Destro Melee Mrder/Choppa ball. Slayers got Nerf. Choopas everywhere. WL is best we can do as Melee atm. Buff the slayer so we can have WL's and Slayers in WBs. If WL gets nerf like slayer, order won't really have any melee class to counter the standard Choppa arm waving in the air, no?

Choppas everywhere not because they are good, it's because coolest race + look + dps. Slayer is still better then choppa because rampage is still there and shatter limbs very impactful debuff.

[Nelly74]

The Slayer is useless and just a shadow of what he once was. So either the devs bring all the classes up to par, or they keep nerfing everything with a chainsaw and kill off the last bit of fun that's left. I still don't get how it's possible to intentionally create such a huge gap between classes...

[nocturnalguest]

Yes, WL is the epitome of what is wrong with the game right now

What is epitome of what is wrong with the ''game'' right now?

1) Stale boring campaign. This has been killing the spirit of the game for a long time.

2) Scenarios, devs need to fix them.

3) Nerf paradigm, the game has become less fun over the last couple of years due to the class nerfs. Nerfing WL will not fix anything, it will only add to this issue. Devs should be looking at empowering classes, bring back the fun, not nerf everything to mediocre.

4) Lack of new content ( since the ability patch has been ''rebuilding everything''). We need the new dungeon, lotd etc and stuff like these.

Great summary btw, literally a priority list

I'd add that approach for balancing was/is (not set on "is" atm as i dont know design plan or what are they working on) very dull too, to me (besides recent RP/zealot changes with rituals, alas mentioning that whole patch as a good example is pretty dumb either, cause for no reason Rune of Battle has been nerfed same patch) it was a course of oversimplification, many things have been cut out, outliner abilities are unified, alot has been done what i would call #NoFunAllowed.
Whirling Axe and Furious Stomping are the greatest examples of bad design atm. Need way less of those and more of smart situational decision demanding things.