White Lion Nerf when?

[Bozzax]

The data is there for you to look through

[saupreusse]

I don't see any Good dps AM or Shaman anymore. If you do see them they are playing off a warband or in a grp. With new nerfs to armor pots they are very squishy. And kiting has been taken from them as well.

There are. And yes most rather not play solo all the time, but that is probably due to the state solo play is in rn. I often do 1v1 duels on my AM, but it's only so much fun when you are constantly ganked mid 1v1 or parties chase you through the whole map.
There are legit premades on destro that will toast you as if they wanted to start 1v1 fights, then they all gang up on you - very fun.

Feel free to toast me if you spot me in rvr and we can have a duel

[DEADJACK]

I would like to see WL lion having 2 potential nerfs :

1- Giving their pull to another class.
The reason is having both pounce and pull is overpowered and has an horrific psychological effect. Also just look at how WL plays : No tactical positionning, no target selection (they aim for a squishy class and nothing can stand in their way), almost no retreat (they just target someone else and asta la vista).

2- Reducing or removing their charging skill.
The reason is it will force them to think before jumping mindlessly. And also balance their combo pull and pounce. When they pull the wrong target, they will have a hard time to disengage. Even forcing other group members to help them doing so.

The overall thing is, compared to the subpar Squig Herder in melee build, White Lion are completely self sufficient. In their way to deal damages and engage, they need no one. The number of skills they have to disrupt, slow down and control the crowds is ridiculous.

Also i would like to point out the psychological effect of their mobility and the overall looks of order classes. Destruction classes are rather easy to identify even in the thick of combats. For order it's something else. It takes few seconds to identify who's who. Elves are all thin shaped with pointy helmets and bright clothes. Dwarves are all mail covered in greyish colors with similar body shapes for 3 classes (compared to 2 for gobos... fair and balanced ?). Humans are all thin and dressed in brown (in Chaos Both Dps classes have broad shoulders and are males,and its caster is a crooked thin looking human very easy to spot) also all Empire classes can choose between male and female... so by choosing a female character you can reduce the shape/size of your body and this is an advantage compared to chaos. Note that WP have no real helmet, puit them near WH without helmets, both characters are in brown and it's funny times to guesse who's who...

If melee classes in order were broader in termes of shapes and their casters with fanciers hats... things would be better for destro im my opinion.

Anyway thanks for reading my little opinion. Strenght, honor and courage to my fellow Destro players !

[cursedflesh]

got inspired by this thread a little bit


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[normanis]

its just not destro asking lion nerf or remove pounce( or make it morale m1 aoe root) (same to squig) byt also order are asking it. rest clases (bw/slayer) are not welcome in meta wb.

[Battlefield]

WL is currently S tier in :

Solo roaming
6vs6
6 man sc group
24 man RVR

In addition to that the class is simple to excecute with and has medium armor on top of it.
That´s what makes the class overall to strong.

For rSH/Choppa medium armor is almost nothing now with 60-70% armor penetration. Mdps should be strong versus range dps or cloth/light armor , for now even vs medium armor after potions, talismans nerf.

[hordak774]

WL is currently S tier in :

Solo roaming
6vs6
6 man sc group
24 man RVR

In addition to that the class is simple to excecute with and has medium armor on top of it.
That´s what makes the class overall to strong.

For rSH/Choppa medium armor is almost nothing now with 60-70% armor penetration. Mdps should be strong versus range dps or cloth/light armor , for now even vs medium armor after potions, talismans nerf.

60-70 armor mit ? what r u talking about isn;t dev nerf weapon skills ? It around maximum 50 now

[Sinisterror]

https://imgur.com/a/1HTJfCG This is how Pounce used to work, and should work again. Also skills flow much smoother in 1.4.8 not just pounce.

[storm]

Is not even worth running shaman in premade unless your fog heal.. just bring real dps. sad state of the game.. really. just WL/WL/WL and devs let it happen

[Bozzax]

Let it happen? It is by design since we had a dev maining WL

So now it bursts more then a BW (timestamping)
Has highest aoe output plus medium armour (others get light)
Double heal debuffs (exclusive outside of stealth and no spec for it required). Imagine there are still dps that have none
Most mobility of all classes (while gobbo tactics are nerfed multiple times)
Perma snare (can’t kite em) and S tier CC
Faster pet then on live (increased speed) so tactic isn’t really necessary anymore (still good though to make fetch stronger)
Highest armor debuff in game so with recent changes to tallies and pots are one of the least mitigated classes (likely even less then stealth that used to be the armour bypass classes well well)

I expect WLs getting stealth in dps rebalance patches