BW/Sorc vs the world

[Hellfireuzu]

Hi,

I'd just like your opinions on the current situation of these two classes.
- What position do you think the fill in small/big scale PvP (Party/WB)
We know there is no solo possible
- What about their abilities, do you consider the kit they currently have sufficient? (Disarm, Slow, Silence, Root, knocback)
- Do you think that there is any other valid build than 100% glass cannon?
- What of the dmg output, is it worth all the downsides?
- Why would you pick this class over any healer with rDPS spec? (Shammy, Arch Mage, Rune Priest, Zeal)

[zgolec]

We know there is no solo possible

False

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmL6AgO-EVA

[Hellfireuzu]

We know there is no solo possible

False

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmL6AgO-EVA

Admirable effort! I'd hardly claim that as a reasonable solo build tho.

[crystl32]

Hi,

I'd just like your opinions on the current situation of these two classes.
- What position do you think the fill in small/big scale PvP (Party/WB)
We know there is no solo possible
- What about their abilities, do you consider the kit they currently have sufficient? (Disarm, Slow, Silence, Root, knocback)
- Do you think that there is any other valid build than 100% glass cannon?
- What of the dmg output, is it worth all the downsides?
- Why would you pick this class over any healer with rDPS spec? (Shammy, Arch Mage, Rune Priest, Zeal)

sorc lacks the kiting skills bw has. (2 sec cast time for a slow skill on sorc means: enemy is in your face by the time the cast is done or enemy is out of range if you try to prevent them from fleeing. Bw is clearly superior here with channel slow and range kd and sorcs disarm is meh and tactic knockback on aoe crit is not that reliable and janky)
both classes are a bit bleak when it comes to interesting utility imo though bw has some cc skills, cleanse and heal db.
both lack good range dps. in pve, you go into melee range and spam 1 button...
burst build is weak to disrupt/block and suffers from long CD on your main burst skill.
aoe build has a nice tactic and a nice close range channel skill; the rest is kinda flavour on top that needs some more luv.
both kill themselves through their mechanic and have very limited healing (bw crappy tactic and sorc weak dot(disruptable/cleansable)) meanwhile every melee dps now has some form of self heal. i think its time to give bw/sorc some better self sustain (slightly better) (SW also deserves a tiny one too )

while these observations/ideas come from a solo perspective, i think that they are viable in group/wb situations.
its not my intention to see the classes being overtuned; all i want is better balance

[Hellfireuzu]

Hi,

I'd just like your opinions on the current situation of these two classes.
- What position do you think the fill in small/big scale PvP (Party/WB)
We know there is no solo possible
- What about their abilities, do you consider the kit they currently have sufficient? (Disarm, Slow, Silence, Root, knocback)
- Do you think that there is any other valid build than 100% glass cannon?
- What of the dmg output, is it worth all the downsides?
- Why would you pick this class over any healer with rDPS spec? (Shammy, Arch Mage, Rune Priest, Zeal)

sorc lacks the kiting skills bw has. (2 sec cast time for a slow skill on sorc means: enemy is in your face by the time the cast is done or enemy is out of range if you try to prevent them from fleeing. Bw is clearly superior here with channel slow and range kd and sorcs disarm is meh and tactic knockback on aoe crit is not that reliable and janky)
both classes are a bit bleak when it comes to interesting utility imo though bw has some cc skills, cleanse and heal db.
both lack good range dps. in pve, you go into melee range and spam 1 button...
burst build is weak to disrupt/block and suffers from long CD on your main burst skill.
aoe build has a nice tactic and a nice close range channel skill; the rest is kinda flavour on top that needs some more luv.
both kill themselves through their mechanic and have very limited healing (bw crappy tactic and sorc weak dot(disruptable/cleansable)) meanwhile every melee dps now has some form of self heal. i think its time to give bw/sorc some better self sustain (slightly better) (SW also deserves a tiny one too )

while these observations/ideas come from a solo perspective, i think that they are viable in group/wb situations.
its not my intention to see the classes being overtuned; all i want is better balance

I believe you've nailed almost every aspect that I have a gripe with on sorc.
Disarm feels weaker than most hard CCs. Shouldn't it be longer if anything?
Slow is practically unusable if not for some really edge cases where you have both the time and proper range for an enemy that is not focusing you.
Having a tactic that would do some "mini-knockback" without giving the buff instead of the current iteration would seem quite more interesting to me.
PvE is travesty really. Your only choice is whether you are casting a ST or the AoE spell.
Regarding the AoE, is that really viable? I always felt like you gotta move closer to the action and with Sorc being so squishy, it felt like instadeath against any group that is at least a little organized.

[Sever1n]

After you see disrupt disrupt disrupt, all your 1600 armor with pot vanish from 1 gcd of lion and you start actively help kiling yourself taking 750 morale damage from backlashes with 8k hp pool. All you need to know about sork nowadays.

[Sinisterror]

We should be bring back Machine Gun Sorc, but Nerfed version of Infernal Wave Range being 65ft not 100ft. Change lengthening shadow give 33% Radius to Surging Pain+Infernal Wave. Problem of being too op/too much is solved this easily!

Absorb Vitality should work like in Aor. Sorc gets 35% Universal crit/100% increased Crit power, and those both contributed ALOT to make this ability even worthwile to spec. Because with free 35% all crit, the absorb vitlity heal part could crit, and it did often enough and for super high amounts because that 100% Crit power affected AV Heal tick : D
3-4k heal Crits if i remember correctly.

Shades of Death should obviously be able to crit... I mean come on this class only does dmg when the abilities crit, otherwise dmg is pathetic. That is kind of the point of the class : D Super high Dmg with crits no dmg if no crits. Also it makes no sense that Wl pet path 13pts ability cant crit... Pet is literally the crit mechanic for Wl and the "best" petpath Ability cant do what is the whole point of the Pet, to do increased crit dmg : D Witchbrew should be able to crit as well.

Swell of Gloom should be able to crit, actually all tactics that do any kind of dmg should be able to crit, because tactics actually should be powerful. Currently there is tactics that works against the ability it should be boosting. Like Am/Shammy Ishas Encourage/Green an Cleaning tactic worked like this for 15+ yrs in this game before RoR changed it. When you cleansed someone when using this tactic you could have 2-3 stacks on one target. And Sh/Am Cleanse gives absorb as well, so it was great way to nullify crit dmg with these classses! Nowadays it just overwrites itself ie it works against itself lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk This is the best BW solo roam video easily!