Meanwhile, Lets talk about IB/BG usefulnes

[Luth]

Yes, i think IB is the best offtank on the orderside (heavy blow has a stat coefficient of 4 afaik). On destro it's BO imo.

I was running this often:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

[mickeye]

Yes, i think IB is the best offtank on the orderside (heavy blow has a stat coefficient of 4 afaik). On destro it's BO imo.

Nope, BO is no way near BG in terms of group support.

[Luth]

best offtank

He has an aoe WS buff, armor debuff and additionally some nasty abilities/tactics to make squishies sweat.
That makes him the best tank on destro side to support the meleetrain when they try to pressure the enemy. That's just my opinion ofc.
The overall group support on the other two tanks is better though.

Edit: i forgot about the BO aoe snare (with tactic), that has no cooldown and is earlier/easier available than the BG aoe snare.

[Coryphaus]

A tactic that competes with a lot of other strong ones and are better in my opinion: can you hearz, gork smash, stab you gooder, hav another, no choppin me, youz see me blok

Stab you gooder and gork smash are kinda mandatory and then you take grp ws buff tactic; are you really gonna tell me that you don’t want to take can you hearz me now?

Quite frankly all AoE snare did was give free immunites like shitty kb spamming tanks are doing now

BO’s armor debuff is weaker than bg’s

As far as “making squshies sweat” all blorc has in that regards is crits and shut yer face and if you want more silinces that m3 AoE silence, which can still be dealth with to some extent with focused mind

[Luth]

Quite frankly all AoE snare did was give free immunites like shitty kb spamming tanks are doing now

Hm, there is no AOE snare immunity in the game, except the medium armor mPDS archetype ability. But snares never give any immunity buff.
AOE snares are a very powerful tool in PvP imo.

[TenTonHammer]

Juggernaut?

[Luth]

Tank ability juggernaut only removes snares/CC, but gives no immunity.
In the worst case, you are snared again one second after removing the effect with it.

[Tesq]

The spot of main tank would always be chosen/kobs untill sm/bo would buff resistence with the same efficent

Not like auras make chosen better, you take chosen/kobs for auras and not viceversa.

When in a party all have the Group buff, is like auras are not something chosen related.
Take tank 1 by 1 they are all k they are different and balanced , hence group utility is better but other tank that way became like 1 tank + free other tank stuff.
But in a group with chosen/kobs other tanks do better than with out.

In fact BG+auras is a lot more defenesive than any other tank in game for exemple
Auras benefith more other party member that benefith chosen/kobs itself

(Exept when kobs slot op tactic.)

I found btw on destru side at least that have 4 ch+ 2bo+ 2bg better than any other set up, chosen can be good buffers but when it cames to damage you need BO and BG to add something. Also they are not forced as chosen to play with shield so they can be build more freely and around the group needs;
Specifically BG can be played 2h and be tanky as other shield tank. (rr80 only btw)

[Penril]

Stab you gooder and gork smash are kinda mandatory and then you take grp ws buff tactic; are you really gonna tell me that you don’t want to take can you hearz me now?

If you take GS and NCM (ws buff tactic) that means you are going Da Brawler and Da Boss. This means you won't have a knockdown.

Even in this case, i would take BB over CYHMN.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... 2:;0:0:0:0:

Keep your pdps ws buffed (double for your friendly target, around +256 ws) while perma-AoE snaring the enemy melee train. Assist with your CD increase and THC (with very nice crits thanks to GS and SYG).

This is much better than the occasional 4k crit with CYHMN. Also, keep in mind that those 4k crits require you to go 2H, run FO, GABC and spec full STR. This means no Shield, no Trivial Blows, no nothing... you will be incredibly squishy.

TL;DR: Yeah, CYHMN is not good except for those times when you go loldps against bad players and just want to have fun with huge crits.

OT: BGs are awesome. Go SnB and harass a healer (spammable outgoing heal debuff). If a tank tries to help him just super-punt him. When your 5 sec KD procs, try to use it on the other healer (the one your group is not focusing).

[Vdova]

I am wondering if Ironbreakers specable abbility "Ancestors Fury" in path of vengeance tree which gives 75strenght + 10 %crit chance, stack with base sklil "Inspiring Attack" which also increase strenght by 75. If not, that 75 strenght effect on ancestors fury should be replaced by something else.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;;0:0:0:0: