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wargrimnir
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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#21 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:10 pm

covenn wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:08 pm The players are unimportant to this project. It has been said both directly and behind the scenes. They can do whatever they want with RoR because it is their server. Basically, if you don't like it, leave. Both of these things have been said by more than one staff member, so we should be able to recognize that as a truth by now. There should be no complaining about staff treating players like subhumans and no drama. It is what it is.
If only people would take moments of heated aggravation and harsh exchanges for the moments they are. Your characterizations that staff consider our players negatively is few and far between. If you act like an ass, and we treat you like an ass, it's because in that moment, well...

As for perpetual trolling today, it's becoming tiring. If you're only here to harass staff and dissuade the playerbase we will eventually close the doors on you. Take it as a friendly reminder.
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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#22 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:52 pm

wargrimnir wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:10 pm
covenn wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:08 pm The players are unimportant to this project. It has been said both directly and behind the scenes. They can do whatever they want with RoR because it is their server. Basically, if you don't like it, leave. Both of these things have been said by more than one staff member, so we should be able to recognize that as a truth by now. There should be no complaining about staff treating players like subhumans and no drama. It is what it is.
If only people would take moments of heated aggravation and harsh exchanges for the moments they are. Your characterizations that staff consider our players negatively is few and far between. If you act like an ass, and we treat you like an ass, it's because in that moment, well...

As for perpetual trolling today, it's becoming tiring. If you're only here to harass staff and dissuade the playerbase we will eventually close the doors on you. Take it as a friendly reminder.
like it or not, a big part of the population feels that way, recent events haven't helped, especially now that a lot of stuff about the head dev has been released... 573 player online at EU prime and its past the dreaded "summertime sadness" phase
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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#23 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:14 pm

3 - 4 months

WL now has mara stances, WB viability has apparently improved due to many several pet QoL changes (though survivability is obviously not at monstro level), loner is now a free tactic

SH path of stabbin was completely reworked, they can now pounce, squig bonuses were swapped (horned now gives armour), they also benefit greatly from general pet changes, squig armour can be used as mount

SM lost most of it's bubble spec stuff but gained more group utility. phantoms blade now gives whole group 25% more wounds for instance

BO lost it's bruiser spec with changes to thc and got a new 13pt brawler that is sort of an enrage toggle. rock ard and toughest bellow benefits whole group now

new renown ability that adds strikethrough that can go through renown added avoidance

morale gain was lowered

bunch of other stuff but those are classes who were changed the most. shaman and AM got big changes but i can't for the life of me understand those classes regardless of what state they're in
kkprfx wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:52 pm 573 player online at EU prime and its past the dreaded "summertime sadness" phase
my kids went back to school yesterday god damn

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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#24 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:46 pm

wargrimnir wrote: If only people would take moments of heated aggravation and harsh exchanges for the moments they are. Your characterizations that staff consider our players negatively is few and far between. If you act like an ass, and we treat you like an ass, it's because in that moment, well...

While this is the most accurate, useful and best paragraph I've seen written this week and I've personally found any interaction I've had with Torque positive and professional.

To post a response to a softer soul calling a tougher character nasty after heated conversations in a heated moment, in a public forum page to 200,000 potential accounts and in Yali's house, containing comments such as "steal my throne" and blaming the softer souls "delusional" actions on his "autism" and "depression" and stating you were "laughing all the way through the Q&A". Is firstly rude, upsetting to for example players who have children with Autism and have had to involve the police in cases of discrimination and bullying and harassment, and in some cases exploitation, including the UK cyber police in online forms. Also probably scarring for the softer souls development, I've personally in official jobs taken people down from a noose they tied themselves and met the mental scars of bullies of who helped tie this noose.

While it's equally not good for another human to hold a ruse Q&A to blast off about a tougher character giving a softer soul a hard time in heated conversations. One crosses a line too far blaming mental health publically, not for everybody, because we are all raised as children in families and learn how to socialise in schools and different families and schools have different ways, but for most who play here, have common sense, and some decency, lets be honest, its a 10 year old game, most of us are over 30 now. This public rude rage, deserves a public apology. Healing starts with forgiveness, ignorance fuels hate, judging by the population, many discords chats and ESO population tonight, many regular long term players are not expecting much, which is sad way to adapt to the new future.

This is a moderated space - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13607 where around 3,500,000 hours a year people come to relax and laugh with friends, or just escape a tough day.

People have been wisely given time out based on these rules because they have become too engaged and prone to heated moments, becoming a troll, Hao is a clear example here who perhaps thought he was irreplaceable, no-one is irreplaceable. If you meet this guy in the street you probably talk and he's nice guy, but too much time focusing on one thing can drive people crazy, he would not heal the hate and needed time out. I'm sure Torque is a nice guy and like most us reacts in certain situations, we all do this, but when you cross a line Torque be the bigger man of the 2, and not totally change, you are who you are, but admit, apologise and heal hate, don't fuel it.

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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#25 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:55 pm

tazdingo wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:14 pm 3 - 4 months

WL now has mara stances, WB viability has apparently improved due to many several pet QoL changes (though survivability is obviously not at monstro level), loner is now a free tactic

SH path of stabbin was completely reworked, they can now pounce, squig bonuses were swapped (horned now gives armour), they also benefit greatly from general pet changes, squig armour can be used as mount

SM lost most of it's bubble spec stuff but gained more group utility. phantoms blade now gives whole group 25% more wounds for instance

BO lost it's bruiser spec with changes to thc and got a new 13pt brawler that is sort of an enrage toggle. rock ard and toughest bellow benefits whole group now

new renown ability that adds strikethrough that can go through renown added avoidance

morale gain was lowered

bunch of other stuff but those are classes who were changed the most. shaman and AM got big changes but i can't for the life of me understand those classes regardless of what state they're in
kkprfx wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:52 pm 573 player online at EU prime and its past the dreaded "summertime sadness" phase
my kids went back to school yesterday god damn
I don't understand this post.
Most of those changes were only possible because of Azarael+Max (Client Control.)
The bo nerfs were Torques as were the SH changes, but I don't know who actually did the coding for those because they were done years ago.
Morale gain was increased and then lowered again by azarael, but it now scales with the number of enemies around and is not as bad as I initially thought. :oops:

The counter also comes and goes and total population count is now "off."

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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#26 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:09 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:55 pm I don't understand this post.
Most of those changes were only possible because of Azarael+Max (Client Control.)
The bo nerfs were Torques as were the SH changes, but I don't know who actually did the coding for those because they were done years ago.
Morale gain was increased and then lowered again by azarael, but it now scales with the number of enemies around and is not as bad as I initially thought. :oops:

The counter also comes and goes and total population count is now "off."
dude what?? i'm simply responding to the original post. stop framing everything around the Q&A drama. move on

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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#27 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:42 pm

Fallenkezef wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:12 pm Getting married Saturday so will be taking a break for at least a week from Friday. We'll see how the dust has settled when I get back from honeymoon

Congrats! May it be a long and happy union.

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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#28 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:17 am

OldPlayer wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:57 pm
Fallenkezef wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:45 pm I do feel a bit empty over all this.
May I suggest to play the game that brings fun to you?
Or do some other stuff that restores harmony in your soul.
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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#29 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:31 am

So is aza still on the team, or is he reading this from the moon?

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Re: Oh boy, oh boy

Post#30 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:35 pm

wargrimnir wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:10 pm
covenn wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:08 pm The players are unimportant to this project. It has been said both directly and behind the scenes. They can do whatever they want with RoR because it is their server. Basically, if you don't like it, leave. Both of these things have been said by more than one staff member, so we should be able to recognize that as a truth by now. There should be no complaining about staff treating players like subhumans and no drama. It is what it is.
If only people would take moments of heated aggravation and harsh exchanges for the moments they are. Your characterizations that staff consider our players negatively is few and far between. If you act like an ass, and we treat you like an ass, it's because in that moment, well...

As for perpetual trolling today, it's becoming tiring. If you're only here to harass staff and dissuade the playerbase we will eventually close the doors on you. Take it as a friendly reminder.
It is simply the truth from my perspective. There was no embellishment, no lies, and no trolling. I said nothing more than some members of the staff have said previously on these very boards and in game. I relayed nothing more than the treatment inflicted by someone on staff to me, for no real reason, and how it came across. If you want to view truth as 'trolling' there isn't too much I can do about that.

Also, responses like your 'friendly reminder' aren't so friendly. It is a threat, not a reminder. You are basically telling me to stop giving my perspective because you don't like it. If I do not, I will be banned. So be it then, at this point there is really nothing to lose because you all seem intent on destroying your own creation. If you want to silence me and everyone else speaking out, then keep flexing away until there is nobody left to push around. I am done walking on eggshells with people that just want their ego stroked.

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