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pikon77
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Broken sorc damage

Post#1 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:35 am

https://ibb.co/Vp6LSJw

Are the resi buffs not working? It doesn't matter at all if you have a resi buff or not, they just burst you in seconds.

It's the gloombust and impending doom being spirit damage and the swell of gloom that makes the sorc far better than the BW in single target damage. Far too good. Sure it was a lucky crit series but the good sorcs crit you a hell of a lot, even with futile strikes 3.

To me that looks very broken that the resi buff is basically useless and that they can debuff their whole rotation with one quick dot. Again, the BW cant do that. Nova and Sear are not the debuffed damage type and the dont have Swell of Gloom.

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vianiznice
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#2 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 am

The one thing sorc has over BW is the ability to with relative ease, time-stamp bad players, let's not take that away too.

b00n
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#3 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:57 am

easy fix: cleanse, get a guard and use absorb pots
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pikon77
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#4 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:59 am

vianiznice wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 am
... time-stamp bad players ...
Do I look like a bad player to you? Look at the screenshot again. I had a healer and I had a guard (was not in range though) and I had resi buff and my gear is higher tier pvp set. That has nothing to do with good or bad.

The sorc need 3 GCD to put on chillwind, vision of torment and word of pain - all on the move, then a 1s Gloombust followed by an instant Impending Doom. That is super easy to do and you only have to stop 1s for Gloombust. Pretty much every dps is dead or almost dead after that roation that takes like 5-6s to perform but the health bar will only move in the last 2-3 seconds.

When you compare that to a BW that has probably 30% less st damage then the sorc kills the target while the BW target has 30% health left. That's a huge difference. In one case the target dies, in the other not.

b00n
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#5 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:02 am

pikon77 wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:59 am
vianiznice wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 am
... time-stamp bad players ...
The sorc need 3 GCD to put on chillwind, vision of torment and word of pain - all on the move, then a 1s Gloombust followed by an instant Impending Doom. That is super easy to do and you only have to stop 1s for Gloombust. Pretty much every dps is dead or almost dead after that roation that takes like 5-6s to perform.
Gives you 4.5 Seconds to put a knockdown on that sorc, or hide somewhere, or ask your tank to htl.
Destro: Chosen 80+, Zealot 80+, Sorceress 80+, Dok 80+, BG 77+, Magus 36/50
Order: SM 54,Warrior Priest, AM, BrightWizard, ShadowWarrior, Kotbs

pikon77
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#6 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:06 am

b00n wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:57 am
easy fix: cleanse, get a guard and use absorb pots
no, you can only use one cleanse in that time frame and the sorc didn't even had to use hand of ruin which is another instant burst. Absorb pot? lol... there comes the second rotation...

pikon77
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#7 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:10 am

b00n wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:02 am
pikon77 wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:59 am
vianiznice wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 am
... time-stamp bad players ...
The sorc need 3 GCD to put on chillwind, vision of torment and word of pain - all on the move, then a 1s Gloombust followed by an instant Impending Doom. That is super easy to do and you only have to stop 1s for Gloombust. Pretty much every dps is dead or almost dead after that roation that takes like 5-6s to perform.
Gives you 4.5 Seconds to put a knockdown on that sorc, or hide somewhere, or ask your tank to htl.
Come on, your solutions are so unrealistically... You need hyper reflexes to find the sorc, click on it and perform a counter before the rotation goes through. Almost impossible. Sorcs have also a disarm. If she is smart you cant do anything while she burst you down.

Elvicof
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#8 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:34 am

From the time VoT/WoP hits you you have 5 sec to react. In those 5 sec your healer could have helped you, you could have gotten in guard range, broken LoS and/or used detaunt.

Just 1 of the above will save you from the "deadly" sorc rotation, but hey if 5 sec isnt enough to react then you might not look like a bad player, but your actions shows that you are.
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pikon77
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#9 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:57 am

Elvicof wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:34 am
From the time VoT/WoP hits you you have 5 sec to react. In those 5 sec your healer could have helped you, you could have gotten in guard range, broken LoS and/or used detaunt.

Just 1 of the above will save you from the "deadly" sorc rotation, but hey if 5 sec isnt enough to react then you might not look like a bad player, but your actions shows that you are.
You are trying to blame it on me, drifting away from the real issue here.

It is the damage done in that time frame that is not ok. It is also the resi buff not doing it's job that is not ok. It is further more all spells being spirit damage that can be debuffed with a simple instant dot which is not ok. And last but not least it is the ease of the rotation with all but one spell being instant that is not ok.

Compare that to a scout SW who is also a fully fletched ranged dps class. The SW needs two tactics to make the fester arrow even useable and then it is still a 2s cast with a cooldown. The sorc is doing more than the fester just by walking by and putting a dot and world of pain on you - instant, with a lot higher chance to crit and that's only like 1/4 of her rotation without vision of torment, without gloombust, without impeding doom, without hand of ruin. That alone shows you that the gab between a SW dps and a sorc dps is insane.
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Asherdoom
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Re: Broken sorc damage

Post#10 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:01 pm

pikon77 wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:35 am
https://ibb.co/Vp6LSJw

Are the resi buffs not working? It doesn't matter at all if you have a resi buff or not, they just burst you in seconds.

It's the gloombust and impending doom being spirit damage and the swell of gloom that makes the sorc far better than the BW in single target damage. Far too good. Sure it was a lucky crit series but the good sorcs crit you a hell of a lot, even with futile strikes 3.

To me that looks very broken that the resi buff is basically useless and that they can debuff their whole rotation with one quick dot. Again, the BW cant do that. Nova and Sear are not the debuffed damage type and the dont have Swell of Gloom.
the only thing a sorc got is damage. No survival, she autokill herself with self damage, no escape mechanism, pathetic resistance, no survivability. At least leave her damage! resistances are meaningless against sorceress because with her DOT she lower your resistances so much to the point you actually are "naked".
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