Scenarios- pre mades being douchebags

[Nishka]

As a solo player i have no problems with premades in sc because its usually 50/50 for Order and Destro in turn of wins.

50 or 100, doesn't matter. How can you enjoy a sc when you know that nothing depends on your actions? Whatever you lose (50% when destro premades) or win (other 50% when order premades) is determined from the start, just press TAB and will know either it's gonna be lose or win.

[mursie]

premade vs premade wont work due to the general lack of competition on our server. i can provide videos on a daily basis and show you how premades are inside their spawn w/o trying to fight or even worse: guildleaders crashing their client in a full 6 man. dodging is another thing which i did not even mention yet. once we have a core of premades who actually fight each other that would be a solution but rn it would sc que even worse. and what about 4-5 man groups should they face pugs or premades? both is unfair in your opinion so i guess leave the system as it is...

Totally agree with these comments. Not to mention, even if you face a premade and make them hug guards, they'll just fire back with excuses like "i had no monitor" or "one of our group mates dropped" or "we were facing double premades on the other side" or "we were only a partial group" or "you guys had to many slayers" etc.. etc...

Basically it's a no win game here. You can literally be solo que'd with no heals against premades and they'll still make excuses. So in my opinion premade v premade just won't work.

But - all of this is besides the point. Why not let the masses of the playerbase decide truly how they most enjoy the game. Simple enough test to find out. Create a solo que and a group que and just test the results. What are people doing more of? What do they seem to enjoy? If the reality is that group ques (and I think the group que should put any and all size groups in the que) are the only place to get pops then you'll know that people really enjoy to group up for sc's and our current system isn't that big of a deal. If the only place that pops are solo ques...then maybe that is actually how the majority of people enjoy to play pvp. I don't know how that test will pan out, but would be interesting to see.

[Nishka]

If it's possible to create such system I'm sure most people would like it... But it's probably requires coding from scratch so... fat chance.

[drmordread]

Does anyone remember the complaints from the Pay Servers where people would Q for an SC get in it, see a premade and leave ....

Leaving 3 or 4 guys to sit it out?

If people want to leave SC's, fine .... give them a 30 min no SC Q allowed debuff

[mursie]

Does anyone remember the complaints from the Pay Servers where people would Q for an SC get in it, see a premade and leave ....

Leaving 3 or 4 guys to sit it out?

If people want to leave SC's, fine .... give them a 30 min no SC Q allowed debuff

Well - I know this for fact. Take from it what you will.

SWTOR has two ranked ques: Solo and Group. Both are 4v4 deathmatch arenas.

Group ques typically last 1 to 2+ hours with only 2 to 3 groups queing. Infact, it is so bad, most groups have to coordinate on the forums a designated time to que. Seems like most ppl, in that particular mmo, don't really care about the premade ranked group play.

Solo que on the other hand. Constantly pops.

Could just be isolated to swtor. No idea how that would pan here.

[amputationsaw]

Let's say it: many people joining scenarios have no idea what to do and how to cooperate with the rest of their group to guarantee a success. When joining as a premade you basically have a party of people who have a clue on how to play the game.

additional most of the players who que solo just don't communicate through /sc. If they would start to organise just a little bit (fixing grps, switching heals/tanks. not really a big deal!) before the sc starts, things would proceed mich better, but even a simple "pls 1 heal into grp 2" seems to be too difficult for the most (basic English should be in place)
I always try to write some commands but of course they won't get heard (rarely sometimes)

so the main issue are the players. start to play in a group. don't chase or roam solo. It will not help to success in a SC

[Gerv]

Back on topic. I agree sometimes you get premades who are douche bags and just want to farm the life out of pugs. However as some people have pointed out, some of the SC maps can bug out, like the High Pass cemetry and the Barraks BO in Norden Watch.

Overall though I sincerely believe that 85% of premades are not generally like this and want a "face-rolling" sc to be over asap, as others have pointed out in the thread.

[Bretin]

Totally agree with these comments. Not to mention, even if you face a premade and make them hug guards, they'll just fire back with excuses like "i had no monitor" or "one of our group mates dropped" or "we were facing double premades on the other side" or "we were only a partial group" or "you guys had to many slayers" etc.. etc...

Basically it's a no win game here. You can literally be solo que'd with no heals against premades and they'll still make excuses. So in my opinion premade v premade just won't work.

The saltlord is back and has mysterious fantasies coming to him quicker than a religious zealots swarming a gay marriage. So bear with him.

[mursie]

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Hey Look! My biggest Fanboy!

[Druin]

Don't start with this again.