HE Bomb/Orvr WL build

[footpatrol2]

This post is in response to this thread. I'm making a new thread to not completely derail that discussion.
Re: Mara vs WL in general discussion.

What WL needs moast of all is a orvr viable spec. Something simple as a AoE armor debuff and swap Whirling Axe to deal spirit dmg (For more high elf synnergy) would go a long way. Also remove pet requirement for pack synnergy (and change name) as pets just don't work in large scale combat.

Orvr WL build. Take 2 of these working with each other in 2 different groups. (not for 6 man builds)
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... 8:;0:0:0:0:
Key tactics is centuries of training, Pack hunting, Tearing blade, Last tactic is for flavor or utility.

Pets work in Orvr. You guard them. In my opinion path of guardian/hunter pets require a guard and are designed as such.

Whirling Axe in itself doesn't have to do a lot of damage. Its there to apply centuries of training tactic and apply trained to hunt dot.

Pounce used to do AoE damage. It probably should again but since this game has been refocused to 6 man play from live and roots/CC is perceived as being so precious to the community from live, it got taken away.

High Elf Bomb
Here's how you bomb HE style and it doesn't exist at the 6 man level. It works at the 12 man and beyond level.
HE can place their bomb 65ft away. There is some set up.

The 2 WL's start in trained to threaten stance send there pets into the zerg guarded by 2 SM's walking in.
Once pets are in a healthy amount of zerg Switch stance to trained to hunt and Pounce in with the 2 WL's and 2 SM's Wings.
AE snare (Marsh) the target location for a initiative debuff.
SM's pop Wrath of hoeth for AE spirit debuff and possible triggering of heaven's blade dropping spirit resist to zero.
Dps AM's pop dissapating energies on both WL's.
AM's due AE ap drain at target location for protection
AM's healy/dps pop blinding light M2 at target location as needed for defense.
Upon landing both WL's pop echoing Roar for 4 15 sec AE spirit damage dots due to pets being at that location.
Both WL pop Whirling Axe to apply Centuries of training dot/hunter stance dot.
Start a Whisper wind cycle with SM's
If you have Vaul AM's start spamming Energy of Vaul at target location. Spam possible due to whisper.
Dps Am's either start spam dotting radiant gaze on targets in the marsh or spam forked lance if the tactic is slotted or spam Fury of Asurayan.
Khaine SM's use Ether dance for stat steal at that location.
Once WL is done or interrupted from whirling Axe spam Slashing blade or spam Lion's fury on low health players until you run out of AP.
AM's Create a Snare wall.
Frontline Dips out and runs beind snare wall to safety. WL's save their AP for another burst. SM do AoE knock back while retreating.

Kite around for a bit. WL's switch back to threaten stance and send out their pets on new targets. SM's switch guards. 2 guards pets and helps set up another burst window.

Note: there is a morale bomb component you can do with this. Tooth and Claw on the WL's hits really hard. If the pet and WL are next to each other, thats a total damage of 2400. If running two hunter WL's thats 4800 damage 30 ft AE. Last tactic slot on WL could be close bond. You can Boost WL's morale gain to morale 4 pretty quickly if the healy and dps AM's slot bolstering boon tactic.

The 6 man meta is extremely limiting in your builds. So I understand why players can't see this. The meta has been hyper focused on mixed groups also. I can write out a specific 12 man build that is very flexible in what it can do with just using tactic slot switches. Instead of this being AE it can very easily switch to being a nasty single target group with just a easy tactic slot switch.

[peterthepan3]

1) You will NEVER - I repeat NEVER - guard a white lion's pet in any context. By doing so, you are putting at risk an actual PLAYER; by doing so you are not guarding the other MDPS, or guarding the offensive tank.
2) Centuries of training and tearing blade simply don't cut it. Centuries is a decent dot, but a swordmaster can apply that too. White lion is not designed to deal AoE damage, and the aoe that it does can be rivaled/outdone by dps tanks.
3) In any build with the pet, pack synergy is a must: white lion is a burst dps class, not a sustained dps class. Not to be rude but have you played a WL/successfully utilised it in a WB setting with proof?
4) Quit with the '6 man meta' jabs as per every post you seem to make. The meta is there for a REASON: it has been tried and tested by a plethora of different guilds spread across different pvp platforms (6v6 - 12v12 - 24v24 - wb vs wb) and exists for a reason.

I think at this point you should start making a few videos/stream footage of you actually putting all of this theory into practice. I await the results with eager anticipation.

[Twyxx]

I don't really see the point of guarding the pet, even in a guardian build... It's going to die regardless and I think the guard should be used on actual player. =/

[footpatrol2]

I lub peterthepan3. So positive.

I only used 3 tactics for that build. You can use pack synergy. I played a WL on live for a very long time. I remeber playing through the huge nerf to the guardian spec.

[Jambalaya]

I'll guard your pet

[Dabbart]

I could see this in a "Chuckle-****" group. But then again, I have seen 6 DPS AMs in a group. Anything can theoretically work. And against a group of PUGs, yea it could work.

What I have never understood about your logic however footpatrol, is in every single idea you have, it REQUIRES a SUPREME amount of understanding, practice, and communication amongst your team. If that is the case... Why in the holy **** would you purposefully gimp yourself with these asinine builds and combo's?

Yea. People will run these kind of groups when their bored or just want a laugh. Hell, I was just in a 5MDPS/1WP that was ganking through posterns for a few hours a couple days ago. It was alot of fun, and with organization we got a lot of kills. Does that mean the build and system is viable? HELL NO. We caught some PUGs unaware, and through efficient kiting, CC usage, and Grp heals from outside the wall, we ganked them repeatedly. Once they figured us out, it was a more straight up fight, and we lost. Cause we had 5 freaking Mdps and 1 healer.

But as has been said in numerous posts, by me and many many many others. Stop talking. And show us. You've had 2 months now to recruit and lvl, I saw you trying to start a Greenskin Guild... Tell us. How is it going? You have tons of alts. Show us some video of what you're doing.

EDIT: Just cause peterpan3's a **** doesn't make him wrong. The man(?) has a bit of skill himself, on both realms. Reread what he wrote, and don't take it personally. His points pretty much sum it up.

And Twyxx's new avatar makes me want to hug my screen....

[footpatrol2]

1) You will NEVER - I repeat NEVER - guard a white lion's pet in any context. By doing so, you are putting at risk an actual PLAYER; by doing so you are not guarding the other MDPS, or guarding the offensive tank.
2) Centuries of training and tearing blade simply don't cut it. Centuries is a decent dot, but a swordmaster can apply that too. White lion is not designed to deal AoE damage, and the aoe that it does can be rivaled/outdone by dps tanks.
3) In any build with the pet, pack synergy is a must: white lion is a burst dps class, not a sustained dps class. Not to be rude but have you played a WL/successfully utilised it in a WB setting with proof?
4) Quit with the '6 man meta' jabs as per every post you seem to make. The meta is there for a REASON: it has been tried and tested by a plethora of different guilds spread across different pvp platforms (6v6 - 12v12 - 24v24 - wb vs wb) and exists for a reason.

I think at this point you should start making a few videos/stream footage of you actually putting all of this theory into practice. I await the results with eager anticipation.

1) Look the group composition would obviously be 2 tanks 1 WL 1 rdps 2 healers. There are currently group compositions that are 3/2/1 at the moment so I don't see why you can't do what I'm talking about.

The range dps doesn't need a guard. Throw some passive hots on the pet, AoE heals heal your pet also.

2) Its not just the centuries of training and tearing blade. Did you not read the post I put up above? Its the combination of all those classes working together to stack damage in one specific location to create the bomb. The bomb isn't tied to just using one class. Probably all those classes I listed would have centuries of training sloted... You do know that centuries of training can stack right?

3) ya you got me I forgot that must have tactic pack synergy. Luckily the must have tactics I said was only 3 which at level 40 you have access to 4 slots. I've played WL's in a premade setting granted its been awhile. I have not played it in the warband setting i listed above. But...why wouldn't what I'm talking work?

4) I'll continue with the 6 man meta jabs because players are making judgment calls from this angle. I come from a different mindset/meta when 12v12 was a BIG THANG. It seems that since RoR started small and then is gaining momentum 6v6 has dominated the meta here. I keep seeing people reference things from this 6v6 mindset and make judgement calls on classes from it, when its not accurate in a larger scale setting. Should I remind you about this thread?

6 man meta thread
http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... =8&t=12342

5) I'm trying to get find players that are interested to try out my idea's. I've got like 5 to 7 or so players interested so far but everyone plays at different times and everyone has their own guild premades they run in also. Currently I'm focused on trying to run a 12 man chaos group. It looks like your have a magus. Would you be interested in participating? The playstyle is hyper untraditional and doesn't work like traditional frontline/backline kiting premade groups. You'd have to change your playstyle and be open to constructive criticism though.

[Jambalaya]

5) I'm trying to get find players that are interested to try out my idea's.

Where do i sign up?


btw if there is any engi's that want their turrets guarding send me a pm.

[Telen]

Im not convinced this will work.

Ive tried something similar duo with a sm on my am on live. Stick DE on the sm and spam M2 aoe lances. on a debuffed group. But then you have 50s to wait while slayers just keep going. The cd on DE is just too long for anything other than single pushes against pugs.

[Gachimuchi]

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Hmm... maybe I should start guarding squigs...