[AM/Sham] Asuryan and Gork Trees [Close Date Aug 14]

[live4treasure]

I see what you're saying now, my mistake for thinking it was confrontational. Alright, but it's likely that SoC will be moved to dps tree one way or another, as that's where its potential is realised the most and where it fits conceptually the most. I can agree that KB is a little situational, so if you were to get an entirely new ability instead of it, what would you like it to be? I don't think this is too off-topic, considering the vaul tree does get effected, even if slightly.

[Telen]

I agree with Dab that Cleansing Flare/Geddoff! is a gimmick ability that just gives immunity. Id like to see that reworked and moved back to 13 in Asuryan where it used to be. If a bless shatter is the idea then it would suit the concept. Giving it either a 3 bless shatter on ST or preferably an aoe 1 bless shatter. Shaman already had what is pretty much a dps version of FoDG/EoV anyway so them getting a shatter added to it would be a straight buff. Also returns the aoe damage lost from the lifetap tree.

With the removal of any sort of damage from the lifetap tree it seems to fit that the debuff go to the dps tree. With CF moved that can go to 5 Asuryan/Gork.

That leave 5 Vaul/Da Green open for a new group utility ability that would be in reach of any spec. Which is what the class needs.
As disrupts are being looked at this is a possible solution. A 50% uptime disrupt buff. cd and percentage based on how much disrupts are affected by any changes.

[Azarael]

I have one concern regarding reworking Cleansing Flare / Geddoff! to serve as the previously proposed 13 point ability.

I remember roadkillrobin was very adamant in the early days of the original rework for AM/Shaman that the class was killed because you could not instant cast CF/G! to instantly knock RDPS off keep walls.

One major source of stress previously was the fury that I would receive if I reworked or removed an ability that had niche usage. What are your opinions on this?

[Telen]

Simple. Just change one of the unused tactics to give EoV/Fury aoe kb. Burst of Waaagh/Empowered Lores isnt really needed with the mechanic not using up multiple stacks. Its a core tactic so could be swapped in just before you head to a keep to play a 'niche' role.

[Azarael]

Sound.

[Telen]

Obviously the tactic should have to increase the cd on whatever ability though so you cant just spam kb.

Although I would probably never go that high in Asuryan/Gork to take the shatter. I have said for years that what AM need a low tree group utility ability open to all specs, something dps/hybrid AM could bring to a group as well as heal spec. The only place I could see that going was 5 Asuryan/Gork. With the proposed change 5 Vaul/Green is open which makes far more sense for that.

[nebelwerfer]

My AM is level 36 so I'm not really allowed to post here but I wan't to say that I had an idea to make a six man with a heavy morale punch and this spec is phenomenal to do exactly that.

RoR.builders - Archmage

Because this is one of the few great spells that deal direct damage via another target. There are only 2 more that I know of that does this(over time), inevitable doom for slayer and Rune of Battle for RP.

So stacking Rune of Battle and Dissepating Energies then popping slayers trollslayer m4 is a small dream of mine to see the numbers possible over the 10 sec duration of these spells.

If this spell is changed that will not be possible anymore and that is a little sad : (

Sry if this is too OT.

[live4treasure]

My issue with the cleansing ability being aoe is that by using it in smallscale you would essentially break CC effects on nearby enemies, which might make it a great spell that you never get to really use outside of warbands. The reason I say this is because usually kills are scored when the healer is under some form of cc. It would create anti-synergy with chosen and kotbs, and potentially zealot and runepriest.

The reason I'm saying this is because before expanding a class's usability in other content, I think it would be more sound to provide it with justification for being in a dps slot, otherwise the changes, while being nice, would have likely been for naught.

[Telen]

It isnt an issue of one more dps ability. Theres only so many gcds. One more just makes it longer or replaces damage thats already there. It cant buff its burst window the way BW mechanic or deadlyaim/VoN combo can for example. Striping hots so dots pressure or having more utility and off healing than a dps can bring is where a hybrid can be useful. If it could aoe hot strip (grenadier combo) and brought a top level group utility spell. On the level of a WW or a AP return. A group would likely take them over one extra damage ability.

[Arbich]

Simple. Just change one of the unused tactics to give EoV/Fury aoe kb. Burst of Waaagh/Empowered Lores isnt really needed with the mechanic not using up multiple stacks. Its a core tactic so could be swapped in just before you head to a keep to play a 'niche' role.

AoE-KB ability on the group heal ability with tactic basically means removing AoE-KB altogether.