Broken WB Balance

[xanderous]

So what your saying is because a guild sometimes beats you that the faction they are playing should be nerfed?

Maybe its the organised play and not just about the faction.

[wonshot]

Morale drain is not really a thing anymore as raga said. You need a decent amount of maras to be super effective

Honestly I disagree.
If the optimized order warband is having atleast 1 bw in each group, and you manage to drain 1 or more of them to a point where their Moral2 is no longer insync with the rest of the Brightwizards, either the moraldrop is weakend enough for it to not do the impact you want out of it, and it becomes outhealable. or your DPS'er will have to hold their morals and wait for the few who got drained, to get back in sync.

Alot of things can happend in this window of time when you have to hold your moraldrop for an extra while.
-If you got a suprice jump on the enemy warband(s) you might lose the suprice factor.
-Your formation can get knocked all over the place
-The enemy line you want to hit, have moved or spread out.
-More BWs are getting drained and a combined drop is no longer an option.

Basicly you lost your window, and possible the win-condition if moraldump is required in for an example, outnumbered situation.

Sure it might not seem very effective when you are the one draining, because you dont see the direct impact in terms of an HP bar moving or any visual indicator like that. but there will be so much more additional presure on the affected targets to up their communication and coordination. simply because you are hitting them with a moral drain. Low effort, with low sence of accomplishment, and a massive impact.

Drains create this odd minigame of morals, with pumps, drains and displacement and granted I think destro still have the upperhand in this whole minigame. I wonder if that is why I dont like drains as a whole and find it borring

[Dammy095]

^ thats true
we rarely used that tho, because everyone obsessed with damage

[hammerhead]

Greater variability and synergy between classes, coupled with the fact that the Destruction has received many powerful updates over the past year, which have made almost every class good in all aspects of the game have drawn good players to one side, leaving Order without strong leaders.
In Desi zerg, I see an approximate equal distribution between classes with a strong front edge, while the order has a big advantage: WH, AM, IB, and WL. These classes are as good in 1vs1 as in such imbalances make WB easy prey for desi blob.

upd. This is from pugs player perspective. Maybe somewhere there is a competent contest, but definitely not in the oRVR.

[Glorian]

2 Endless Knockback Zealots effecitivily stop any kind of Order Funnel push.
Front Door, Postern or any frontal attack. The knockback is through walls and any channeled moral dumps are disrupted and the rest of the destro warband can kill the indropping orders. I remember at least 2 Evenings for 4 hours we tried to make a push into that Elf Keep in Avelorn with superior numbers. The endless knockbacks stop everything coordinatedy you try to setup.

If you get the Destro Warband in the Back on their Healers the endless Knockback knocks all your melee dps out or your short range aoe Attacks.
If one endless knockback Zealot comes into your super composition 8 BWs they will knock them around for 5 secs and it is game over.

BT and CNTK didn't stopped running full comp warbands because we don't have the players, but because it is useless to smash one wb vs the next and then see half your wb being knocked around for 4 seconds.

Thats why we run Engi warbands these days. No need to push a compisition of 8/8/8 if you fight with no morals and no chance for channels.

[Karast]

So what your saying is because a guild sometimes beats you that the faction they are playing should be nerfed?

Maybe its the organised play and not just about the faction.

Any reply to the main topic? Or are you incapable of that?

[bulgy70]

Are you having a joke about this? or have you just got your head in the sand?

For the last 5 months order have been zerging none stop, and desto has had aao most of the time. You have to ask why more people what to play order then desto. Just maybe it is the order side which needs looking at and fixing. But here you are coming on here and saying that desto wb's are unfair and need nerfig.

Why dont you take the time and look at how better order have to desto, why don't you take the time and see how much better classis like the Eng is over the magus, or look and see that order have 3 classis which have a type pf punce but desto only have 1. Or maybe sit down and look at how much easier the BW is over the Socr.

I could go on, you say that the balance is broken, i say take the time and look at how easy it is for order. Even Order say it is easy street for them.

[Karast]

Are you having a joke about this? or have you just got your head in the sand?

For the last 5 months order have been zerging none stop, and desto has had aao most of the time. You have to ask why more people what to play order then desto. Just maybe it is the order side which needs looking at and fixing. But here you are coming on here and saying that desto wb's are unfair and need nerfig.

Why dont you take the time and look at how better order have to desto, why don't you take the time and see how much better classis like the Eng is over the magus, or look and see that order have 3 classis which have a type pf punce but desto only have 1. Or maybe sit down and look at how much easier the BW is over the Socr.

I could go on, you say that the balance is broken, i say take the time and look at how easy it is for order. Even Order say it is easy street for them.

No reply to the main points?

[bulgy70]

What i am saying is, maybe look at what you have and then look at what desto have, you calling for a nerf on desto, that is what you are asking for, and you have done that. With out looking at what Order has and can do.

I want balance in this game. You do not. what you want is still to have it on easy street.

[Kragg]

On order its called event and grand alliance, they dont use the z word over there, everything is heroic, ya know. <:-D <:-D

I also give my additional 2cent.

Whole thread seems rather pointless and wasted breath. I don't see a single order wb left remaining in the game where you could balance around.

Refusal of streamlining and metapicking is too high.

So, it is what it is.

You do realize that us and BT are a WB together most of the time and BT don't even run on Mondays anymore. There is not enough interest left order side for full AoE WB's anymore. No one wants them since they see them as a waste of time, hence the balance issues, hence this thread.

You also know for a fact that we spend most of the night separate Raga. You only have to look at your own videos for proof.

We switched to a comp we could work with, because AoE doesn't work against zealot punt and morale drain. You've seen it work, but it is not an AoE WB and it doesn't work against the big blobs.

Don't get me wrong i like you guys but i also remembering you running with the grand alliance when the grand alliance was the great alliance and not what it is now.

If you dont like snarky replies dont give snarky awnsers. Life is not a one-way street.

To counter Phalanx and TUP and your neverending train of pugs