Stophy22 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:54 am
For years white lion has been able to time stamp players.
For years people have complained.
For years it has remained imbalanced.
Now you have a choice as a player knowing something will never get fixed.
-Continue to complain about it.
-“if you can’t beat em join em.”
-figure out how to combat it.
There is oodles of data that proves WL has too much burst, too much mobility, and too much utility. So the cold hard truth remains.
Balance is not a top priority there is much more important stuff to work on.
Take it or leave it, I’ve been here since “torque’s guardian spec” and the many in between stages we had until now, the “dev plays WL” stage. The denial of white lions is a story that continues to this day.
Whenever someone brings up this topic you get the same responses;
-but melee squigs are stronger
-but marauder is stronger
-Destro complaining again, lol
-unsub if you’re that unhappy about it
-/popcorn
-WL has ap problems
-Try doing this...
-did you detaunt pet
-you’re probably just bad
-it used to be so much worse, it’s fine now.
And so many other stupid/unproductive/informative comments on player experience/personal struggles with WL.
I know better than to participate in these discussions but The definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result and I assure you I must be mad.
But with the strict purpose of educating people take what you will with the information provided, or sift through the other hundreds of WL threads, whatever works.
Also to clarify it’s not that Mara doesn’t have burst, it’s that WL doubles his burst, making you feel like you can’t do anything as the mirror of a class that kills without use or need or a hdbuff. Mara actually hits harder with his abilities than WL does (shocked me too) after testing it. Mara consistently hits about 100-200 more. But there is more to the story than that.
- Shattering blow is much stronger than 3 stacks of rend and only requires one application
- WL has mobility far greater than its prey making it very easy to never have a “damn he got away” moment that you might have on Mara thanks to good enemy positioning or small windows of being unguarded.
- the toolkit at white lions disposal is much better being able to keep armor debuff and get arguably better burst than an execute with leonine and brutal pounce.
- The pet. Now the pet is the biggest deal, he has comparable damage to the marauder and can even out-damage him using Leonine frenzy. The pet is also too healthy and defensive from aoe damage it’s not an option to kill the pet without direct threat to your life. Like how easy it is to slay a squig for example or engi turret.
- and the final difference is how both classes achieve their damage. Using a rotation that is mirror-able and 2gcds long (meaning both classes share abilities) it goes something like this;
WL: armordebuff(aa)coordinated strike
Pet: maul(aa)fang and claw
White lion just clicked two abilities and the pet auto piloted, lets check out Mara
Mara: -gift of savagery- armordebuff(aa) -gift of brutality- Convulsive slashing.
Mara clicked an ability, switched a stance, used convulsive for 3 tics (no more, no less!) jump cancel. End.
With data from target dummies doing this combo Mara gets out damaged by about 4k(assuming everything is a crit for both classes). While his abilities hit harder he just can’t keep up in a contest that is 2v1, the pet makes it so vastly different and that’s without leonine frenzy and the main point behind it all is that more effort was put into a lesser outcome.
Call it fun, call it finesse, call it a reason to play marauder rather than WL, call it op, call it whatever you want... it’s been around for a long time and no matter how many of these threads pop up I don’t think foreseeable change is in the future.
Final thoughts
TLDR: to say there is no issue with the class is blatant ignorance but to act like it’s going to get fixed from forum posts is wishful thinking. There is a lot of inaccurate data when accusing white lions vs x class so I broke it down.