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CountTalabecland
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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#61 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:05 pm

When there is massive zerging (pop difference over 80 or so seems to make it decisive) you have a few option.

1: Accept it
2: Join the zerg
3: Play T1
4: Play a different game and log back later. This is what I tend to do. Its not the dev's fault, its everyone who chooses to play on the side with a higher population to make the game easy and surf the zerg. Stop blaming the devs for something that they couldnt affect unless they put in a bunch of unpopular hard pop caps.
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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#62 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:27 pm

I'm not blaming them for anything I'm asking if they'd be willing to reconsider certain recent changes that punish the underpopped side more than the overpopped side.
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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#63 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm

CountTalabecland wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:05 pm When there is massive zerging (pop difference over 80 or so seems to make it decisive) you have a few option.

1: Accept it
2: Join the zerg
3: Play T1
4: Play a different game and log back later. This is what I tend to do. Its not the dev's fault, its everyone who chooses to play on the side with a higher population to make the game easy and surf the zerg. Stop blaming the devs for something that they couldnt affect unless they put in a bunch of unpopular hard pop caps.

5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off

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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#64 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:07 pm

Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm
CountTalabecland wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:05 pm When there is massive zerging (pop difference over 80 or so seems to make it decisive) you have a few option.

1: Accept it
2: Join the zerg
3: Play T1
4: Play a different game and log back later. This is what I tend to do. Its not the dev's fault, its everyone who chooses to play on the side with a higher population to make the game easy and surf the zerg. Stop blaming the devs for something that they couldnt affect unless they put in a bunch of unpopular hard pop caps.

5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off
This happened last night. Order put up a 100 v 180 defense, farmed destro for a solid two hours in one zone, and then started pushing zones when most of the Destro logged off. It happens, just takes some dedication to a defense and watching out for each other. Being outnumbered and underpopulated doesn't have to mean losing and getting rolled over.
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MMXX43
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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#65 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 pm

Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm


5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off
So like , join Zerg and Friends been days FMJ + PnP + TUP running together in a blob .
But i guess you dont blob , you gather :lol:

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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#66 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:05 pm

MMXX43 wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 pm
Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm


5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off
So like , join Zerg and Friends been days FMJ + PnP + TUP running together in a blob .
But i guess you dont blob , you gather :lol:
Well all you need to do is watch my video, these cover most of our raids and one common thread in them is our single warband running into stacked order warbands. Just look at talabeck Tuesday order entire 100+ running as a blob. That ended soon enough after they got stomped and PnP went to a less populated zone after the blob was dealt with.

However the issue with blobbing is in the percever if a WB entrees a zone and meets stacked warbands you do not get the picture of the reason they are blobbing. If a warband engages another warband and two others add it’s not clear as to if they were stacked .
Basically blobbing is hard to identify the blubber originator as you see only one perspective

Although if u push logic a bit it’s is also possible to blame said guilds for the blobbing :) typically a guild warband can splat a pugband or two badly enough that they don’t want to go out on thier own so they find another WB or two to follow (blobbing) to fight said guild warband. The blobbed pugs meet another pugband and wipe them the wiped warband gets sad and try following guild warband or group with another pugband etc etc, blob escalation

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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#67 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:59 am

MMXX43 wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 pm
Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm


5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off
So like , join Zerg and Friends been days FMJ + PnP + TUP running together in a blob .
But i guess you dont blob , you gather :lol:
We don't run with FMJ + PNP (and fight against them)... our communication is bare minimum with others i am mostly too busy leading ourselves, I try to get fights away from the zerg (today eataine far bo prime example, while most people was busy in order inner keep) even if we was outnumbered...

FMJ + PNP are in alliance maybe they co-ordinate more if they are blobbed (order alliance guilds/pug wbs run together too you know) i don't speak for them.

Sometimes we add into fights that FMJ/PNP are engaged in, because everybody is looking for action and usually meet in same place... if it was organised it would be zzzzz too easy / boring and not our cup of tea... why would we want to share the action/rewards if we don't need too?

Awhile back(years ago) when we had large scale allies in NRM(no remorse) we would write location in alliance chat, only after either of us being zerged by 3-4 guilds a couple of times. Maybe we would help King Ocara's pugs too if they was being bullied way back when... but very little communication not out style/little time to type. It is spur of moment and most want to avoid one vs one fights. Its Orvr.
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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#68 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:35 am

wargrimnir wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:07 pm
Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm
CountTalabecland wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:05 pm When there is massive zerging (pop difference over 80 or so seems to make it decisive) you have a few option.

1: Accept it
2: Join the zerg
3: Play T1
4: Play a different game and log back later. This is what I tend to do. Its not the dev's fault, its everyone who chooses to play on the side with a higher population to make the game easy and surf the zerg. Stop blaming the devs for something that they couldnt affect unless they put in a bunch of unpopular hard pop caps.

5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off
This happened last night. Order put up a 100 v 180 defense, farmed destro for a solid two hours in one zone, and then started pushing zones when most of the Destro logged off. It happens, just takes some dedication to a defense and watching out for each other. Being outnumbered and underpopulated doesn't have to mean losing and getting rolled over.
To a certain extent - you need more and more skill/gear/organization disparity the bigger the numbers difference is. And usually the overpopulated side is also not just a bunch of pugs.

Timezones also have something to do with that. When I log in Destro usually has a fighting chance. By the end of my game time we have 80% AAO (in OCE/SEA) at which point even if you are very organized there is only so much you can do but skirmish to try and get some contribution and move onto the next zone.

It definitely ebb and flows: when I came back to the server a month ago, Destro was pushing zones. Now I can't remember the last time I took a keep, let alone a fort.

Still fun, it's a different gameplay, but it can get demoralizing.
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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#69 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:57 am

Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:05 pm
MMXX43 wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 pm
Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:26 pm


5. Join an organised guild (PnP, FMJ,7th, NGE,TUP,LBL) fight in zone make zerg cry and log off
So like , join Zerg and Friends been days FMJ + PnP + TUP running together in a blob .
But i guess you dont blob , you gather :lol:
Well all you need to do is watch my video, these cover most of our raids and one common thread in them is our single warband running into stacked order warbands. Just look at talabeck Tuesday order entire 100+ running as a blob. That ended soon enough after they got stomped and PnP went to a less populated zone after the blob was dealt with.

However the issue with blobbing is in the percever if a WB entrees a zone and meets stacked warbands you do not get the picture of the reason they are blobbing. If a warband engages another warband and two others add it’s not clear as to if they were stacked .
Basically blobbing is hard to identify the blubber originator as you see only one perspective

Although if u push logic a bit it’s is also possible to blame said guilds for the blobbing :) typically a guild warband can splat a pugband or two badly enough that they don’t want to go out on thier own so they find another WB or two to follow (blobbing) to fight said guild warband. The blobbed pugs meet another pugband and wipe them the wiped warband gets sad and try following guild warband or group with another pugband etc etc, blob escalation
Cool stories bro

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Re: Realm balancing and cross-realming

Post#70 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:03 am

MMXX43 wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:57 am
Acidic wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:05 pm
MMXX43 wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 pm

So like , join Zerg and Friends been days FMJ + PnP + TUP running together in a blob .
But i guess you dont blob , you gather :lol:
Well all you need to do is watch my video, these cover most of our raids and one common thread in them is our single warband running into stacked order warbands. Just look at talabeck Tuesday order entire 100+ running as a blob. That ended soon enough after they got stomped and PnP went to a less populated zone after the blob was dealt with.

However the issue with blobbing is in the percever if a WB entrees a zone and meets stacked warbands you do not get the picture of the reason they are blobbing. If a warband engages another warband and two others add it’s not clear as to if they were stacked .
Basically blobbing is hard to identify the blubber originator as you see only one perspective

Although if u push logic a bit it’s is also possible to blame said guilds for the blobbing :) typically a guild warband can splat a pugband or two badly enough that they don’t want to go out on thier own so they find another WB or two to follow (blobbing) to fight said guild warband. The blobbed pugs meet another pugband and wipe them the wiped warband gets sad and try following guild warband or group with another pugband etc etc, blob escalation
Cool stories bro
Video evidence from over 200 warbands , stories
Clarification of why blobbing is happening, stories
Clarification of perspective on what is a blob, stories

Not worth trying to help those not willing to understand thier own situation
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