do we have a balance problem?

[Panodil]

City gives decent fights, but mostly as order tbh, as destro you mostly face solo engies.

But yeah, orvr roaming is the most fun fights. Sadly fighting on loosing side might just tip power and then we get no city in outside NA times. Fighting in orvr is the endgame

Take this in no way as attack or insult. But are you essentially saying that orvr is more fun HOWEVER fun is pushed aside to get to city and get royals?

If that is indeed the case, then I feel bad.

Kinda but also no.
But if we happend to roam on lets say destro for fun. Because thats the side i play that day.
If it looks like it might be city, we sometimes make alliance or/and /5 wb to push city. City also fun. Its rare that we would make wb and defend the destro push, there is reason if both are fun.
One thing we should do is to remove x-realm lockout so i could do city on order as well.

[Jinxypie]

Dok > WarriorPriest

Care to explain how? HealWP is just easy mode healDoK. More raw healpower, better detaunt and biggest livesaver and out of jail card - Sigmars shield.

[emiliorv]

13:2 win for destro in cities, still destro players good, order players bad issue I think

LMAO




Keep the farming

[Dostovei]

13:2 win for destro in cities, still destro players good, order players bad issue I think

You can laugh and meme all you want, this is still admitting that there is imbalance. It's funny how many destro accounts have upwards of 6 maxed out toons as their avatar signature. Maybe the server should not be giving full rewards to the stacked side. Maybe the players on the stacked side who love to brag and boast, should try for a challenge and play order. It's like how bad ass can you really be when it's so one sided?

[emiliorv]

13:2 win for destro in cities, still destro players good, order players bad issue I think

You can laugh and meme all you want, this is still admitting that there is imbalance. It's funny how many destro accounts have upwards of 6 maxed out toons as their avatar signature. Maybe the server should not be giving full rewards to the stacked side. Maybe the players on the stacked side who love to brag and boast, should try for a challenge and play order. It's like how bad ass can you really be when it's so one sided?

Mate for your information a city instance is a 24 vs 24 sc, what problem you have to win with even numbers?

the overpopuplated side dont have access to full rewards right now since they dont get city pops...its obviuous

[teiloh]

Care to explain how? HealWP is just easy mode healDoK. More raw healpower, better detaunt and biggest livesaver and out of jail card - Sigmars shield.

No, it isn't. Exalted Defenses is good but highly overrated. The Detaunt is not strictly better - DoK can get a melee blob and a single RDPS. Sigmar's Shield is also good but overrated. It's 113-120 healed per hit but drains 10 RF per hit, at most it's gonna heal 2000-2500 if you channel.

Melee DoK is so much better than melee WP it's not even funny. Has the best heal debuff in the game and if Destro wants to cry about "muh heal advantage" they have a 20% incoming buff to use.

[emiliorv]

Care to explain how? HealWP is just easy mode healDoK. More raw healpower, better detaunt and biggest livesaver and out of jail card - Sigmars shield.

No, it isn't. Exalted Defenses is good but highly overrated. The Detaunt is not strictly better - DoK can get a melee blob and a single RDPS. Sigmar's Shield is also good but overrated. It's 113-120 healed per hit but drains 10 RF per hit, at most it's gonna heal 2000-2500 if you channel.

Melee DoK is so much better than melee WP it's not even funny. Has the best heal debuff in the game and if Destro wants to cry about "muh heal advantage" they have a 20% incoming buff to use.

somehow, the best ordr tools are "HIGHLY OVERRATED"... (while ED is the only outgoing healbuff in game and makes perfect sinergy with stay fosused and blessing of grugni)

DoK healdebuff is nerfed into the oblivion => now only ST and still at 13pt in mastery tree and need to waste 1 tactic slot (dok got nothig in exchange to this huge nerf). While WP healdebuff is at 5pt in mastery tree making it acessible with any kind of build.

anyways, when you compare 2 healers and determine that 1 is better than other its obvious that you are talking about healing.....if you get other aspects in consideration maybe you can say that AM > RP because dps AM is better than RP....

Looking at healing aspects WP is better than DoK, with all these "OVERRATED" tools and still have better utility with his sweet group wounds buff ..

[teiloh]

somehow, the best ordr tools are "HIGHLY OVERRATED"... (while ED is the only outgoing healbuff in game and makes perfect sinergy with stay fosused and blessing of grugni)

DoK healdebuff is nerfed into the oblivion => now only ST and still at 13pt in mastery tree and need to waste 1 tactic slot (dok got nothig in exchange to this huge nerf). While WP healdebuff is at 5pt in mastery tree making it acessible with any kind of build.

anyways, when you compare 2 healers and determine that 1 is better than other its obvious that you are talking about healing.....if you get other aspects in consideration maybe you can say that AM > RP because dps AM is better than RP....

Looking at healing aspects WP is better than DoK, with all these "OVERRATED" tools and still have better utility with his sweet group wounds buff ..

The wounds debuff doesn't stack with pots anymore, so that's not quite relevant.

Exalted Defenses raises healing output by 20%, Discipline raises it by 7.8-8.x% and also increases your Disrupt by 6.8%. It doesn't require getting attacked or defense either. Likewise DoK/WP healing is heavily dependent on RF/SE so those tactics can get close to ED.

Again, good but overrated. There's no reason for DOK to get it.

[emiliorv]

somehow, the best ordr tools are "HIGHLY OVERRATED"... (while ED is the only outgoing healbuff in game and makes perfect sinergy with stay fosused and blessing of grugni)

DoK healdebuff is nerfed into the oblivion => now only ST and still at 13pt in mastery tree and need to waste 1 tactic slot (dok got nothig in exchange to this huge nerf). While WP healdebuff is at 5pt in mastery tree making it acessible with any kind of build.

anyways, when you compare 2 healers and determine that 1 is better than other its obvious that you are talking about healing.....if you get other aspects in consideration maybe you can say that AM > RP because dps AM is better than RP....

Looking at healing aspects WP is better than DoK, with all these "OVERRATED" tools and still have better utility with his sweet group wounds buff ..

The wounds debuff doesn't stack with pots anymore, so that's not quite relevant.

Exalted Defenses raises healing output by 20%, Discipline raises it by 7.8-8.x% and also increases your Disrupt by 6.8%. It doesn't require getting attacked or defense either. Likewise DoK/WP healing is heavily dependent on RF/SE so those tactics can get close to ED.

Again, good but overrated. There's no reason for DOK to get it.

The wounds debuff doesn't stack with pots anymore, so that's not quite relevant.=> FALSE. With my DoK i have to chose between liniment (wounds+Healpower) or other stat => if you have a wounds buff you can pass over liniment and use another pot.

You can use ED+Disipline and drop Fueled fury if you can manage RF with other tools => onslaugh/sovereign procs or better RF management, FF is not mandatory.

Again, good but overrated. There's no reason for DOK to get it.=> WHY? if its totally overrated and a trash tactic, why cant doks get it? regarding your words anyone will use it....

[teiloh]

The wounds debuff doesn't stack with pots anymore, so that's not quite relevant.=> FALSE. With my DoK i have to chose between liniment (wounds+Healpower) or other stat => if you have a wounds buff you can pass over liniment and use another pot.

You can use ED+Disipline and drop Fueled fury if you can manage RF with other tools => onslaugh/sovereign procs or better RF management, FF is not mandatory.

Again, good but overrated. There's no reason for DOK to get it.=> WHY? if its totally overrated and a trash tactic, why cant doks get it? regarding your words anyone will use it....

That's not what overrated means. Destro acts like Exalted Defenses is literally a gift from God that single-handedly saves Order and outweighs the fact that Order has worse utility, CC, mobility, defenses, and damage. It's nothing more than a diversionary tactic to create false categories of advantage for Order when the overall heal/heal debuff situation heavily favors Destro.

It's a nice option, but it's not a literal god mode button.

Dropping Fueled Fury will absolutely make you lose a several heals and force you to recoup RF much earlier, cutting your total output by at least 15% even if you have Onslaught/Sov and a purple book (120 * .85 = 102, you're back at square one). If you are hanging back and thus cannot use FF, Exalted Defenses is not proccing unless Destro has healers with horrible discipline throwing out random **** to get Disrupted for.