Patch Notes 20/05/2021

[Elvicof]

Maybe next time spam a little so that we don't get mirror nerfed while Rampage is still a one-way ability?

Apples and oranges, Slayers face far more defenses than Choppas.

1) Mixed Defenses/Suppression on Chosen
2) Can't Hit me on BO
3) AOE 120 WS debuff on Mara
4) Core 150% uptime 10% Parry/Block reducer on BG (vs 33% uptime 13 spec for 2h KOBS)

Maybe it could be dropped to 25% if it doesn't exhaust rage, and all these other imbalances in melee defenses are addressed.

Seems it is only apples and oranges when talking about order specific abilities. Your ability to see balance clearly is hindered by having your head up you ass.

[Sofong]

waaagh was equivalent to WW, chop fasta is to counter shatter limbs..... removing waagh but keeping WW makes 0 sense......... very disappointing patch many of the nerfs are unnecessary.

MSH has shatter limbs equivalent as well. Destro netted one more CD reducer than order. Now it’s even

Skillwise it is even, but having both these abilities. But there is still a huge difference when they are placed on different archtypes.

Order now brings CDR and CDI on 2 classes that can work together and an added bonus you have aoe interrupt aswell.
Destro has to bring 4 classes for the same affect mSH and choppa and 2 guard bots on top of that.

So there might be balance in these specific abilities, but no way there is balance in composition. With this patch if 2 equal skilled wb goes head to head order wins 100% time.

if ppl really looking for balance, proper way is to remove chop fasta, but bring choppas to the the same level as slayrs, return waaagh to borks. as for now just gutted borks like this makes ZERO sense at all.

[Stophy22]

Stay classy destro, all this time I thought order was the cry baby side... but boy if those aren't some crocodile tears.

[Bloodmasked]

Realistically chalice dok only has 4 tactics to choose from.

AOE detaunt, 160 willpower, AP pump, group cleanse.

Why nerf their core detaunt? Please add more tactics so that I have a reason to not take AOE detaunt and something else instead if you think its too strong. Not just cripple the class, it is pointless to do balance by nerfing and buffing here and there. Make classes better, not stronger or weaker.

The DPS/Shield changes are meaningless fyi. There is no point to consider dual wield dok as "dps", I think a "dps" chosen/bg/borc can do more damage than it.

[Naelar]

Stay classy destro, all this time I thought order was the cry baby side... but boy if those aren't some crocodile tears.

Heh. Go back and read the last few months of nonstop SH whining. (edit: and all this despite about two months of Altdorf being mostly 4 or 5* while IC is rarely above 2) You'll figure out which is the 'crybaby' side...

[Elvicof]

Realistically chalice dok only has 4 tactics to choose from.

AOE detaunt, 160 willpower, AP pump, group cleanse.

Why nerf their core detaunt? Please add more tactics so that I have a reason to not take AOE detaunt and something else instead if you think its too strong. Not just cripple the class, it is pointless to do balance by nerfing and buffing here and there. Make classes better, not stronger or weaker.

The DPS/Shield changes are meaningless fyi. There is no point to consider dual wield dok as "dps", I think a "dps" chosen/bg/borc can do more damage than it.

Who runs willpower tact on a healer

[Jeliel80]

Instead of removing cd decrease from BO wasn't a way better solution to just give another cd decrease on an order dps toon?

That would even allows more wb composition flexibility on both sides.

It was proposed multiple times as well... now is destro supposed to bring 4 choppas to wb? (and you even plan to move it to 2h tree, that's just crazy).

Careful on AM morale pump, you might have not realized that you just gave a REALM aoe morale pump with EoV, that has to go, before it even starts.

If your rationale is to mirror pivotal abilities, you should consider mirroring the good order stuff too.

In general I don't disagree on the morale changes, but always supported progressive changes, instead of hammering big swing patches.

On a side note, I seriously question the RC system to begin with, when you have long time veterans playing both sides with enormous game experience and knowledge not in there, only because they are not YES men.
Just swallow your pride pill and use them to gather accurate feedback, instead of this utter mess.

Just my 2c, take care.

[teiloh]

Seems it is only apples and oranges when talking about order specific abilities. Your ability to see balance clearly is hindered by having your head up you ass.

No, because CD reducer is nowhere comparable to Rampage. CD reducer is by far one of the best abilities in the game, Rampage is just something Destropriders love to hold up as a false argument.

Apples to oranges because the CD reducers (added to BOs on RoR) were imbalanced (2 on Destro vs 1 on Order).

Destro still has tons of other advantages like a 360 ranged AOE debuff for their core nuker class, only viable pulls, 9-10 speed buffs vs Order's 3-4, group AA boosts, AOE KD, and so on. Rampage can be compared to those.

[engharat]

MSH has shatter limbs equivalent as well. Destro netted one more CD reducer than order. Now it’s even

Skillwise it is even, but having both these abilities. But there is still a huge difference when they are placed on different archtypes.

Order now brings CDR and CDI on 2 classes that can work together and an added bonus you have aoe interrupt aswell.
Destro has to bring 4 classes for the same affect mSH and choppa and 2 guard bots on top of that.

So there might be balance in these specific abilities, but no way there is balance in composition. With this patch if 2 equal skilled wb goes head to head order wins 100% time.

if ppl really looking for balance, proper way is to remove chop fasta, but bring choppas to the the same level as slayrs, return waaagh to borks. as for now just gutted borks like this makes ZERO sense at all.

This is my very same idea. If you really care about balance, give back BO cdr, so that BO/SM have it. Remove cdr from choppa and replace it with rampage. Remove also choppa pull from choppa, or give it to another order dps class. THIS would be balance.

[Stophy22]

Stay classy destro, all this time I thought order was the cry baby side... but boy if those aren't some crocodile tears.

Heh. Go back and read the last few months of nonstop SH whining. (edit: and all this despite about two months of Altdorf being mostly 4 or 5* while IC is rarely above 2) You'll figure out which is the 'crybaby' side...

Oh I know order is the cry baby side you don't have to tell me lol, but this thread would fool newer players