Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)

[Luth]

I already stated clearly that i only play order classes and don't gain any benefit from this change...

So what ? Nobody cares. You can modify original game now ? I think not.

Hu?

I answered his post because he accused me, that i want this change to buff my (non-existing) SH...
I can't modify anything as i am no dev.
I just made a poll about a simple (temporary) change, cause i don't want any imbalanced PvP until T3 (and for the "i can type, but can't read" crowd: this was the last time i repeat/explain this here...).

If you don't like the idea of a change, just select "No" or ignore this topic.

I'm still not sure what you are trying to tell me...

[Druin]

Game should be like it was on live, there is no reasson to change any skill atm.

Yes, like 1.3.8 . I have few ideas about how to improve my classes & balance too, but I keep them to myself.

I already stated clearly that i only play order classes and don't gain any benefit from this change...

So what ? Nobody cares. You can modify original game now ? I think not.

1. Luth is not some random guy who thought "Oh I have an idea for class balance let's make a poll"

2. If you read the other posts here, there are clearly some people who think he is a SH who just wants a healdebuff.

[Azarael]

So what ? Nobody cares. You can modify original game now ? I think not.

Well, actually, we can. It's a matter of changing code and database entries. The question is not whether we can. The question is whether we should. And that question's answer is not anything along the lines of "lol you're not the original developers so you can't modify the game" or "original developer's vision is perfect no changes lol." We don't require any moral right to modify the game, nor was the original vision in any way perfect. The only relevant question is whether taking a given action would improve the gameplay and balance, or whether it would not.

The fact that this is a dead game only increases the mandate. It illustrates that a 1:1 replication of original Warhammer will fail just like the original, and this decline will be exacerbated by natural issues and bugs with the emulator and its free to play nature preventing realm locking and proper banning. Doing all the work to get WAR running again and leaving it in its original condition is simply not going to happen (and I'm confident that that would remain the same regardless of whether or not I'm around), so I suggest people get used to the idea that at some point, though likely far from now, things may change.

2. If you read the other posts here, there are clearly some people who think he is a SH who just wants a healdebuff.

I need to take a list of such people, so I know whom to ignore outright in future discussions of this type.

[CarlistRieekan]

Spoiler:

No, since suggested change would cause you have invest 4 less points to the Path of Quick Shootin'.
I would rather see reworking of some other mastery trees than Herder's.

PS: Just for the purpose of capping at level 21, it is an excellent idea. For the endgame, the idea is not so great Thus if the swap would be temporary, count me in.

I updated the main post again + the poll is now clearly about a temporary change until T3 is released and you can change your vote if you want.

You've got my vote then, sir!

[Sulorie]

Since when do SH have a healdebuff on r21? oO
SW have one at rank 21.
For both you need to spec.

EDFT: Nvm, misread OP post.

[Azarael]

They don't. That is the entire purpose of this topic. Maybe read the OP before posting?

[Telen]

Also aren't you over exaggerating a bit with "game changer" based on the observation SHs was an underplayed class that hardly ever was part of premades?

Well thats the majority of classes in the game. If the issue is getting classes into premades then theres going to be alot of buffing going on to reach kotbs slayer mara wp levels. Personally I think with the serious inbalances and the fact the mirroed skills are all over the place. Slayer skill on melee herder for instance /facepalm. Balancing this game would be such a ball ache thats why mythic just gave up after a few early patches and the addition of the new careers. Every change will just break something for another class. Plus buffing classes based on player input we just got another even more op class with the mara.

[Sulorie]

Push the cap to 26 and all balance issues are fixed. No need to swap skills. And we need no T3 for this, because the appropriate level bracket for T2 is 12 to 26.

As a lot classes get their healdebuff with rank 25, a reasonable change would be to raise the rank requirements for the SW healdebuff, not the other way around. If not the main purpose of SW/SH is to spam healdebuffs.

[Tesq]

t2 cap is not 26 but as we done for t1 we can have a mid patch leading to t3 where level get increased from 20 to 26. If ppl bother about bolster they should remain more in t1 instead rush into t2, also influence rewards are rank 18 so no more equip problem.

Or

leave level 20 and have no problem if it's so bothersome have a ST healdebuff less than 1 realm........

[Sulorie]

t2 cap is not 26

It was, since patch 1.4.0.
If we want ignore this, then I assume we prefer the old unaltered sovereign sets too, the ones nobody wanted to use.