Why is there no 3rd sov set?

[Valfaros]

For dps dok you'd still would go for vic+sov as you just get more value out of it than warlord. With jewels being locked in slot 4 the devs really gave you no other option if we are being honest here.

How is it better value to go 5/4 or 6/3 vic+off sov as block is useless so can't really go more than 4 off sov vs 5/4 warlord+vic as a dps dok? You really think 6 crit and 6 reduced ap(or 4% damage) is more value than 99 melee power and 9 ap?

Why are you comparing 9 set pieces with vic + sov vs 9 warlord + sov. You have access to 10 when going vic and sov and the very strong talis (sure you can go sent before you get vic). The 4 set piece proc on vic is also increadible and plain amazing on dok. Further you gain access to the vic belt which is really good. You also would have the option to go 4, 4, 2 as shield dok. As for heal triumphant covers everything you'd want to combine with sov (e.g. crit reduction, ap etc.) so no problem there.


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Why not give people the option. You can still combine sets as you wish for shield dok and heal has triu + sov. The only one that is forced into warlord is dps dok. Bloodlord would be another option but once again, your main gear to combine with will have a lower stat value which is not really fair.

It goes back to, it doesn't matter. You only have access to a set with lower stats overall.

[Sinisterror]

For dps dok you'd still would go for vic+sov as you just get more value out of it than warlord. With jewels being locked in slot 4 the devs really gave you no other option if we are being honest here.

How is it better value to go 5/4 or 6/3 vic+off sov as block is useless so can't really go more than 4 off sov vs 5/4 warlord+vic as a dps dok? You really think 6 crit and 6 reduced ap(or 4% damage) is more value than 99 melee power and 9 ap?

Why are you comparing 9 set pieces with vic + sov vs 9 warlord + sov. You have access to 10 when going vic and sov and the very strong talis. I mean 6% block or 54 meele power or 4 % meele crit on top of everything you get. Really vs 9 ap and 99 meele power... yeah I take that. The 4 set piece proc on vic is also increadible and plain amazing on dok. Further you gain access to the vic belt which is really good. You also would have the option to go 4, 4, 2 as shield dok. You gain ap back through the jewel so the difference isn't that big either and you could trade chest block for even more ap if you still require it. You'd still would have extra 2% block from the tali. As for heal triumphant covers everything you'd want to combine with sov (e.g. crit reduction, ap etc.) so no problem there.

Yep. There is already too much restricting jewelry usage. Vale-Walker Jewelry Restriction should be removed, it makes no sense. Cant slot Special, or any talismans on it. It would help build variety AND lower lvl people alot. And those Purple wpns that drop in HV, add procs to those and suddenly HV/Vale-Walker would make more sense.

[Keula]

Why are you comparing 9 set pieces with vic + sov vs 9 warlord + sov.

I'm not, I'm comparing vic+sov vs warlord+vic as i know the vic boots/belt and 4 piece is great and the 2-3-4 is more of shield thing.

You have access to 10 when going vic and sov

Huh? What's the 10th piece? PVE and ranked jewels are slot 3 and sov/offsov/warlord jewels are slot 4 so you can't have more than 2 and there's 7 armor slots, soo that's 9 not 10.

It goes back to, it doesn't matter. You only have access to a set with lower stats overall.

But it's not really lower stats, it's just different stats. That's why I linked you the minmaxing tool so you can go and check it yourself that the difference isn't really anything especially when mixed: https://i.imgur.com/uFlku6G.png (you can change to the vic cloak for the 4%dmg on the sov+vic version)or without mixing to see the full comparison of the pieces: https://i.imgur.com/SWINOLR.png I know 2-3-4 is a thing: https://i.imgur.com/BOaFwpP.png, but that's more for shield as you lose a lot of armor penetration for only running 2 warlord and 5 warlord is still pretty great as a shield dok as you get bigger heals.

[DirkDaring]

Reminds me of Spinal Tap, when Nigel is showing off his Amps, and the guy is trying to explain how the new Amp, is just as good as the old amp, but Nigel goes yea ok, but this one goes to 11 so its better lol

[Valfaros]

Why are you comparing 9 set pieces with vic + sov vs 9 warlord + sov.

I'm not, I'm comparing vic+sov vs warlord+vic as i know the vic boots/belt and 4 piece is great and the 2-3-4 is more of shield thing.

You have access to 10 when going vic and sov

Huh? What's the 10th piece? PVE and ranked jewels are slot 3 and sov/offsov/warlord jewels are slot 4 so you can't have more than 2 and there's 7 armor slots, soo that's 9 not 10.

It goes back to, it doesn't matter. You only have access to a set with lower stats overall.

But it's not really lower stats, it's just different stats. That's why I linked you the minmaxing tool so you can go and check it yourself that the difference isn't really anything especially when mixed: https://i.imgur.com/uFlku6G.png (you can change to the vic cloak for the 4%dmg on the sov+vic version)or without mixing to see the full comparison of the pieces: https://i.imgur.com/SWINOLR.png I know 2-3-4 is a thing: https://i.imgur.com/BOaFwpP.png, but that's more for shield as you lose a lot of armor penetration for only running 2 warlord and 5 warlord is still pretty great as a shield dok as you get bigger heals.

Yeah don't know what I was thinking there. Probabbly because someone mentioned it would be unfair to have a third sov for dps dok. As he could use warlord to combine with which didn't make sense to me as you'd always go vic for the +1 set boni. Anyways...

Further I once again I used the sov set as the other was modified and somehow looks like the devs had other values for some stats in mind as the formula used in the sheet. I mean the sheet values crit rate the same as meele crit and block the same as dodge, disrupt or parry which ... I mean okay, odd. But I did have another look and yeah it is pretty mixed among classes which set reaches a higher gear value. So depending what you use you can either be correct or not. Its just mighty inconsitent.

One last remark however. Who uses this set as their main base to combine with? Looks like you know it all and it's pretty similar on every single class. Surlely others have it as bis then? Also those sets being so similar among classes doesn't sound to me it was desinged for the third spec at all and rather an alternative gear. On most classes there is not such a thing as three working specs requiring three different stats. So warlord is just that, an alternative gear. What makes warlord the gear desinged for dps dok and not just gear that happens to be the only high rr option? Cause you just add in sov with equivalent crit and stats the heal sets has (just like on any other class) and I can assure you nobody would look at warlord.

Overall you spent a ton of work on nothing. I apprechiate you combining sets yet still not a single set or combination you present with warlord has comparable crit rate to other classes. Reaching 7% crit at best is lowest among all classes. Like I get that you want to sell me this set that every class has acting as alternative except dps dok that has to live with it. Most likely I'd go with 3 off sov and 6 vic cause I just don't see the value in warlord.

[Tesq]

Warlord allow alt spec entirely not possible with out it on all classes is good as it is as design and yes is on par with sov altought on some classes the values arent amazing on that i can agree, i wont change warlord design maybe fix values a but to make it more fair for some classes.

Try check what build you can do with warlord on magus...that aint be possaible with out it for example.

As said above yes jewelry set are an issue. Not only wr have very few horizontal progression when it cames to jewelry but also set limit what you can put