Warrior Priest - Grace - The Survival Bible

[diamond241]

Interesting guide. Question for you all:

For gear purposes why not:

5 SOV/4 TRIUMPH? (The 4 piece triumphant is pretty baller.) With greave of sigmar and the 4 piece proc you can potentially remove 250 of someone's primary sat.

I was also theorycrafting:

2 SOV / 3 WL / 4 TRIUMPH or

3 SOV / 2 WL / 4 TRIUMPH

You can either get more wounds with 3 SOV or more Weapon skill with 3 Warlord. It basically ditches block since blocking stuff is RNG and correct me if I'm wrong, you are only getting maybe 35% block if you really stack it. In ORVR and even some scens 30% block you won't really see much actual "blocking". In this case, stack Parry and and offensive stats/wounds.

Thoughts?

[Rydiak]

Yes, Victorious is a very good set.

[Inquisition]

So looking at this guide there is no mention of the Genesis weapon and upgrading into Fortress battlehammer. Is this ignored or considering not good enough?

Would love to see some kind of BiS ranking for main hand.

[Rydiak]

So looking at this guide there is no mention of the Genesis weapon and upgrading into Fortress battlehammer. Is this ignored or considering not good enough?

Would love to see some kind of BiS ranking for main hand.

Combat Hammer of the Subjugator is mentioned, but I am not a fan of the Fortress Battlehammer since the Titan's Battlehammer of Reverence absolutely crushes it in output. It is an option for a more defensive build, though once you've geared out in Sovereign Martyr you want more output instead of more defense.

[Scottx125]

Spoiler:

Interesting guide. Question for you all:

For gear purposes why not:

5 SOV/4 TRIUMPH? (The 4 piece triumphant is pretty baller.) With greave of sigmar and the 4 piece proc you can potentially remove 250 of someone's primary sat.

I was also theorycrafting:

2 SOV / 3 WL / 4 TRIUMPH or

3 SOV / 2 WL / 4 TRIUMPH

You can either get more wounds with 3 SOV or more Weapon skill with 3 Warlord. It basically ditches block since blocking stuff is RNG and correct me if I'm wrong, you are only getting maybe 35% block if you really stack it. In ORVR and even some scens 30% block you won't really see much actual "blocking". In this case, stack Parry and and offensive stats/wounds.

Thoughts?

Why would you mix Sov and Triumph for Grace?! Whole point of Grace is to do healing through damage. Surely you mean Off-Sov and Victorious? And sure you could go for 2 sets. But IMO Grace WP is stat starved. And whilst building defensive is possible. It doesn't feel good and doesn't fill as much of a role as an offensive Grace spec. That being you assist in dps and healing, whilst being somewhat defensive. Block is better than parry/d&d because it's essentially both in one. And is more efficient to invest in. All you'd do is get it to max along with futile strikes, 2 crit mele points and whatever else into parry. But this all follows the fact that you won't survive in large scale RvR unless you're a flanker group or something away from the main fight. Because you're not going to get a dedicated guard as they're usually reserved for actual DPS classes. And even building defensively, you're still going to die in most situations because all you do to kill a Grace WP is either kite or KD them. So you might as well go small scale, max 24v24. Find a decent ST group to support you and go full offence supporting your DPS and healing.

[Scottx125]

So looking at this guide there is no mention of the Genesis weapon and upgrading into Fortress battlehammer. Is this ignored or considering not good enough?

Would love to see some kind of BiS ranking for main hand.

You're honestly going to want high melee crit weps that give you supporting stats. From what I recall the 1H and 2H wep from SC are the best, as they also give AP regen which is gonna be important. Especially with all the AP drain. The SC shield is prob also the best as well.

[MonkeyWagon]

"the Buckler of the Subjugator for The Harbinger (from Crypts and Tunnels influence rewards)" i cant find this "The Harbinger" anywhere. Do you mean "Buckler of the Envoy"?

[mynban]

I don't want the discredit the outstanding effort you put into this thread however as 7+ grace WP, in my opinion when you invest as much as defensive stats as you suggest, then you will simply hit like a wet noodle even at the BiS setup you mentioned.

This is my experience that, when you do so little damage, then you are simply a target dummy nothing more. Because you have no utility beyond the damage you deal, and the lifetap you do based on the damage you dealt.

Low damage = low healing from lifetap. So in summary you would have little damage, little heals, but high defenses. What is the point of those high defenses when you can not soak damage on behalf of others with specialized utilities, the way tanks can do with guard. This is almost like a SnB tank that doesn't guard.

I think it is way better to softcap str, then even invest in crit (beyond mandatory 2 FS, full block and some (not max) parry, dodge/dist). Also you make it sound like parry, dodge, distrupt are equally valuable and over valuing dodge/dist RR based on that. Dodge/Dist is essentially range defense vs Parry being melee defense. By no means dodge or distrupt individually are as valuable as parry for a frontline WP.

P.S. on the topic of grace WP vs gobbos. That match up is as hopeless as a solo roaming BW/Sorc fighting back WE/WH ambush. It is utterly hopeless and there is absolutely nothing WP can do aside hoping to reach safety of a group before dying. If you try to catch a half decent gobbo you will just get kited in easy mode.

[Paxsanarion]

Hi Rydiak, would it be possible to update the build links in your guide please? I am unable to see them …..thank you!

[Rydiak]

Hi Rydiak, would it be possible to update the build links in your guide please? I am unable to see them …..thank you!

Updated!