Patch Notes 30/03/2023

[Tonkatruk]

Just revert it to as before but add the number of 'yes' surrenders to the winning sides kill count

[mynban]

I cant think of any outcome other than less people doing SCs due to this change.

[Lithenir]

Some quick napkin math regarding scenario crests:

1 base crest.
Player min-maxing is going to compete in typically 2 categories, their role and objective. They rush flag and do maximum numerical output their role can do. 0-2 crests, Avg of 1.
A game in which a team surrenders is a match they have no real chance of generating more points, so score total should be 0- <200, Avg 1 crest.

Avg 2.5 crests for a surrender, roughly 5 minutes from crest gain to crest grain with fast pops, 30 crests/hr

Same as above but waiting until 6 minutes to surrender, 3.5 crests at roughly 7 minute cycle, 29.9999 crests/hr

Same as above but no surrender, 9-15 minutes games, 10-16 minute cycle, avg of 13. 4.5 crest per cycle. 20 crests/hr

So it looks like if unwinnable, surrender at 4 is always optimal unless waiting until 6 minutes would yield another 100pt tick for a bonus crest and playing out the sc with incredibly low chance of gaining extra crest through points or kills is never optimal.

Quick, theoretical napkin math, correct me if anything looks off.

Hate to say it to you, but it seems way off.
You get 1 base crest, then you get the bonus crest for top dmg, kb and so on. But on this you are against 11 other people. So basically have a 25% chance on a bonus crest.
So now you have 1.25 crests base for a loss, before it was 2.25 no matter what.
If your SC is a stomp, meaning less than 100 points for your team, thats it.

But lets be generous and go with your 1 avg crest for points.
So if you surrender now you get an avg of 2.25 crests for a 4-5 min SC.

But the worst part is a stomp with no surrender and premades ignoring the objective (like they do 95% of the time) and camping the spawn. The avg here will be 2.75 crests (adding the not surrender crest, but cutting in halve the points crest because it will likely be less than 100 points) in like 10 mins or something.

And I know exactly that there will be at least 4 people who wont surrender because they "NeEd ThE cReSt!!!!"

[tvbrowntown]

And I know exactly that there will be at least 4 people who wont surrender because they "NeEd ThE cReSt!!!!"

Yeah, so fewer people will queue because other people are hell.

RIP scs.

[Lithenir]

And I know exactly that there will be at least 4 people who wont surrender because they "NeEd ThE cReSt!!!!"

Yeah, so fewer people will queue because other people are hell.

RIP scs.

Yeah and in open RvR you are basically useless with anything under 1 WB because it devolutioned even more into a giant zergfest.

RIP casual small guild 6 man parties even more

[Lino86]

As a returning player, this feels discouraging.
The reason is simple in RvR most of the time is waiting for something so I went for SC‘s on my low geared Char, now it feels like I get punished because a really high percentage of them are stomps where the surrender gets called with less then 100 points.

FeelsBadMan

[Uchoo]

2.25, that seems like a fair number. I don't do a lot of solo sc so I'll take your word for it.

Is anyone getting 12 crests for a loss? PM me, would love to hear your strats.

[rejndjer]

you have to ask, who is leading the conversation about making changes within the RoR team? I know there are slim resources but at least prioritize them well please?

somebody who really loves "6v6" sc elite playstyle. ask yourself why was one currency patch worked on, if not for the ability of pure sc players to get all the gear )

[Schweedy]

the percentage of 59 from 275 is approximately 21.45%.
Oh, I guess they really do make up a good part of the population.
If it's a change aimed at the lower tier why not... you know just change it for the lower tiers and keep the values for the higher tiers?

It's completely irrelevant and misguided (if not outright wrong) to quote player statistics based on an image that follows levels (not gearing, veterancy, or seniority). I was also talking about anyone under 40, which that image doesn't track separately (unless you click on player total). Most of the playerbase will experiment and switch back and forth between characters to see how they play and feel and probably never even get them to level 40.

I know you where trying to go for a "gotcha" moment of sorts, but the truth of the matter is that most guilds from 5+yrs ago have disappeared or been absorbed or renamed as the playerbase has changed.

Very few veterans in this game. I would say most playing this game have done so from the last 3-4yrs at the most (easily 80% of the population).

[tvbrowntown]

the percentage of 59 from 275 is approximately 21.45%.
Oh, I guess they really do make up a good part of the population.
If it's a change aimed at the lower tier why not... you know just change it for the lower tiers and keep the values for the higher tiers?

I know you where trying to go for a "gotcha" moment of sorts, but the truth of the matter is that most guilds from 5+yrs ago have disappeared or been absorbed or renamed as the playerbase has changed.

tbh, I was agreeing and raising a different point.

i guess this is now my gotcha moment.