Patch Notes 06/02/2024

[Farrul]

IB is maybe a bit behind, since auto-attack for group would only benefit dps and only melee at that; but IB has been a group AP battery for some time now which is a very strong group utility to have (and a personal slayer/WL buff butler; buffler?).

The ability to convert grudges into AP has become clearly worse after these couple of patches, not just the removal of GnM but the added CD of 10s to Oath buffs means they can no longer provide a steady stream of AP like they once could.

Of course oath changes are a quality of life improvement but from a group performance perspective it was a big nerf to the AP group utility.

with rampage on slayer has about 30% strikethrough (40% in 2h build) which is more than enough to nullify mdps/rdps/healer defences to 0. no gcd is huge because it lets you put another ID / aoe during rampage. no rage drop is huge for dps in rvr. so yeah outside of keep door funnels id say rampage was buffed.

I wont argue against the nerf of rampage as it was necessary and devs did the right thing, however to call it anything other than a nerf is just silly. To claim it was buffed is even more so, strikethrough from a 100% to 30( is it?) is not the only marker, you also fail to mention the duration nerf of 50% uptime.

[ravezaar]

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I wont argue against the nerf of rampage as it was necessary and devs did the right thing, however to call it anything other than a nerf is just silly. To claim it was buffed is even more so, strikethrough from a 100% to 30( is it?) is not the only marker, you also fail to mention the duration nerf of 50% uptime.
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yea it is a huge nerf by 70%+ and its duration is cut in half, only thing it dosent exhaust u rage but thats minor compared to how it was, completly a over-nerf wihtout giving Slayer any dps compensation makes it a fairly weak class atm. I wouldnt even take Rampage in its current state to little duration to have such poor effect.

Des calling it anything other then a huge nerf is either players who have no clue or a joke. good ol Get Guud from Des as always. This was a Des favoured patch without question. But balance may swap to Order next patch so it is what it is.

[Wuhh]

I wont argue against the nerf of rampage as it was necessary and devs did the right thing, however to call it anything other than a nerf is just silly. To claim it was buffed is even more so, strikethrough from a 100% to 30( is it?) is not the only marker, you also fail to mention the duration nerf of 50% uptime.
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yea it is a huge nerf by 70%+ and its duration is cut in half, only thing it dosent exhaust u rage but thats minor compared to how it was, completly a over-nerf wihtout giving Slayer any dps compensation makes it a fairly weak class atm. I wouldnt even take Rampage in its current state to little duration to have such poor effect.

Des calling it anything other then a huge nerf is either players who have no clue or a joke. good ol Get Guud from Des as always. This was a Des favoured patch without question. But balance may swap to Order next patch so it is what it is.
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Ohh how the tables have turned Rav. Time to serve your faction and keep your chin up in the face of adversity old mate

[Alubert]

Buff Knight with each patch is incomprehensible to me. Every skill/tactic of his works on the whole party. I'll add that before the changes Knight was the best tank in the game (now I think SM comes out on top).
Why does Chosen instead get the initiative to a useless skill TR for himself?
Maybe at least it should be made analogous to Knigth UA to add to TR chosen half value buff for whole party 60 willpower, 12% disrupt?
Same as Knight received tactics for Vagiliance LoV ability give some tactics for whole party after using Opression?
Does chosen always have to only Knight's little brother?

[Speedyluck]

Rampage got buffed and its funny how many people cant see it

Can you please explain how this is?
i'm not mocking i'm genuinely curious, i don't see the benefits.

I personally liked losing the rage because it kept me alive which is what you want in trollslayer build especially, and i don't see why having no GCD really changes anything its still a 30s cooldown?

with rampage on slayer has about 30% strikethrough (40% in 2h build) which is more than enough to nullify mdps/rdps/healer defences to 0. no gcd is huge because it lets you put another ID / aoe during rampage. no rage drop is huge for dps in rvr. so yeah outside of keep door funnels id say rampage was buffed.

i play a slayer without rampage to 80+ (i prefer RoA over it), and its perfectly fine, numbling strike and proper positioning will be good enough. the new rampage is actually pretty tempting since it no longer drops rage and dont cost a GCD, cant wait to try it out.

[Dackjanielz]

just to throw in my 2 cents.

i think SM could do with a minor tune up, Redirected force for example is basically a non ability at the moment.

WODS nerf was a bit harsh for a class that not many folks were playing - id like to suggest a cool idea for this ability - make it defend attacks from your guarded target.

this would make the 2h khaine tree have some tank utility but i think it would be really interesting to have a tank that supports RDPS instead of MDPS.

Knight and IB i'm mostly happy with overall i think, good stuff praise there.

As for Rampage - ive seen some debates on how much nerfed this is but some claim its much better now, im not certain i see the upsides but perhaps in time i will, a random suggestion for Trollslayer path i would like to throw out is the idea of a mirror tactic that does the opposite to power through, instead of endlessly gaining rage maybe you gain zero rage and remain in the green. It is after all a tree that's more built for defensive + survival than super damage.

[Detangler]

yea it is a huge nerf by 70%+ and its duration is cut in half, only thing it dosent exhaust u rage but thats minor compared to how it was, completly a over-nerf wihtout giving Slayer any dps compensation makes it a fairly weak class atm. I wouldnt even take Rampage in its current state to little duration to have such poor effect.

Des calling it anything other then a huge nerf is either players who have no clue or a joke. good ol Get Guud from Des as always. This was a Des favoured patch without question. But balance may swap to Order next patch so it is what it is.

Chop Fasta removed, replaced with a different strong aoe damage ability. "Oh, poor Choppa lost utility, here lets increase GtdC damage to compensate."

Slayer gets Rampage toned down. Compensation? "Get guud scrub."

IB gets Heavy Blow nerfed. GnM replaced with watered down mirror of a Black Orc ability with less utility and damage. Compensation? "Get guud scrub."

What bias you talkin about?

[Aethilmar]

I'm not an expert on IB, but sounds like they took it in the shorts at least for 2H if nothing else.

I will say that SM is objectively less durable than it was before these patches, does less damage and its existing buffs/debuffs have lost potency in exchange for ST punt they already had access to and a highly situational movement buff.

And Knight got buffed.

And just so folk are aware, SM and IB are two of the least played classes overall and are, by a big margin, less popular than Knight.

#Balance

[Farrul]

IB gets Heavy Blow nerfed. GnM replaced with watered down mirror of a Black Orc ability with less utility and damage. Compensation? "Get guud scrub."

What bias you talkin about?

Although GnM is said to come back the treatment of the class is worrying imho, It lacks clarity of what the class really needs.

I'm not an expert on IB, but sounds like they took it in the shorts at least for 2H if nothing else.

As for 2h IB's they are supposed to be in a ''great spot'' with the ''highest tank burst'' ( this isn't really true, it depends entirely on the target and IB dots are pathetic vs toughness/armor even the old Heavy blow ) they are forced to use up a tactic slot to enable their class mechanic . The mirror class gets this ''feature'' for free.

2H IB is in reality a 3 tactic slot class in anything less than huge warband fights. This isn't a great spot to be in. The old argument that small scale doesn't matter when it comes to balance is no longer valid considering Heavy blow as a singletarget skill is irrelevant in large scale aoe metas.

[Incubz]

BG shutdown