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Pahakukka
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#11 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:16 pm

reynor007 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:15 pm
hordak774 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:55 am boring as shiet, full def bork..
Im constantly looking for ways to improve The dmg. Any suggestions are welcome. I did try focused offense but The dmg was not that much higher for it to Be worth it.

I did try beastlord to get More WS but then The overall dmg dropped (did slighty better against tanks, but a lot worse vs anything Else)

I could replace The wounds tactic, but not sure with what... Since you seem to have some ideas,feel free to share them.
if you really want to quell damage, spend 45rr on crit damage chance, put tatkiika on 20% crit chance, equip 5dd sov 3 warlord, you can still use the 25% crit power tactic, but it's not that strong anymore in general you have no damage because you have no crit...
I have found out that higher steady dmg is better on 1v1's than high crit chance, unless u can get the crit to well above 50%. Reasoning being that many ppl run with 3 FS which alone leaves you with 20ish chance chance to crit. atleast on engi I swapped back to range power build.
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hordak774
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#12 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:36 pm

reynor007 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:15 pm
hordak774 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:55 am boring as shiet, full def bork..
Im constantly looking for ways to improve The dmg. Any suggestions are welcome. I did try focused offense but The dmg was not that much higher for it to Be worth it.

I did try beastlord to get More WS but then The overall dmg dropped (did slighty better against tanks, but a lot worse vs anything Else)

I could replace The wounds tactic, but not sure with what... Since you seem to have some ideas,feel free to share them.
if you really want to quell damage, spend 45rr on crit damage chance, put tatkiika on 20% crit chance, equip 5dd sov 3 warlord, you can still use the 25% crit power tactic, but it's not that strong anymore in general you have no damage because you have no crit...
what is bis full dps mix for ib ?

jafh123
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#13 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:39 pm

Pahakukka wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm
jafh123 wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 pm Wow, I've never seen you solo roaming before, good job!
I do soloroam every now and then, probably seen me on my other toons. Havent played my BO for a while.
It's just that everytime I see you solo you run as soon as your health starts to drop, on the other hand everytime you are in a group you attack bravely ;)

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Pahakukka
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#14 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:15 pm

jafh123 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:39 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm
jafh123 wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 pm Wow, I've never seen you solo roaming before, good job!
I do soloroam every now and then, probably seen me on my other toons. Havent played my BO for a while.
It's just that everytime I see you solo you run as soon as your health starts to drop, on the other hand everytime you are in a group you attack bravely ;)
u gotta give me a bit more details before i comment on that. are we talking on BO or in all classes?
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jafh123
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#15 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:35 pm

Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:15 pm
jafh123 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:39 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:25 pm

I do soloroam every now and then, probably seen me on my other toons. Havent played my BO for a while.
It's just that everytime I see you solo you run as soon as your health starts to drop, on the other hand everytime you are in a group you attack bravely ;)
u gotta give me a bit more details before i comment on that. are we talking on BO or in all classes?
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Pahakukka
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#16 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:40 pm

ooh, but thats just a single punt :D im not running away. there is just no way u could kill me. There is just no way you deal dmg outside oathstone
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#17 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:12 pm

Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:16 pm
reynor007 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:15 pm
Im constantly looking for ways to improve The dmg. Any suggestions are welcome. I did try focused offense but The dmg was not that much higher for it to Be worth it.

I did try beastlord to get More WS but then The overall dmg dropped (did slighty better against tanks, but a lot worse vs anything Else)

I could replace The wounds tactic, but not sure with what... Since you seem to have some ideas,feel free to share them.
if you really want to quell damage, spend 45rr on crit damage chance, put tatkiika on 20% crit chance, equip 5dd sov 3 warlord, you can still use the 25% crit power tactic, but it's not that strong anymore in general you have no damage because you have no crit...
I have found out that higher steady dmg is better on 1v1's than high crit chance, unless u can get the crit to well above 50%. Reasoning being that many ppl run with 3 FS which alone leaves you with 20ish chance chance to crit. atleast on engi I swapped back to range power build.
on WH you only have a 40% chance of crit damage, and this is always enough to consistently see crits on BO you can get 46% without a stone in the ring and a potion, critical damage in this game is the only thing that really increases damage, whatever one may say, if you don’t have crit and you’re not a slayer, it can’t be called DPS As far as I remember FS 3 gives -15%, this means that you will have about 0 crit chance, because the base crit for a character is on average 14, which means that on BO you will always have about 40% chance of critical damage
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#18 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:47 am

reynor007 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:12 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:16 pm
reynor007 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm

if you really want to quell damage, spend 45rr on crit damage chance, put tatkiika on 20% crit chance, equip 5dd sov 3 warlord, you can still use the 25% crit power tactic, but it's not that strong anymore in general you have no damage because you have no crit...
I have found out that higher steady dmg is better on 1v1's than high crit chance, unless u can get the crit to well above 50%. Reasoning being that many ppl run with 3 FS which alone leaves you with 20ish chance chance to crit. atleast on engi I swapped back to range power build.
on WH you only have a 40% chance of crit damage, and this is always enough to consistently see crits on BO you can get 46% without a stone in the ring and a potion, critical damage in this game is the only thing that really increases damage, whatever one may say, if you don’t have crit and you’re not a slayer, it can’t be called DPS As far as I remember FS 3 gives -15%, this means that you will have about 0 crit chance, because the base crit for a character is on average 14, which means that on BO you will always have about 40% chance of critical damage
Will need to run some tests on My engi or magus someday, but i reasoned that If you crit every 1/5hits. You can make it up by boosting the regular hits with range Power (it does reduced The burst, but is More consistent). Im not sure on exact numbers on how critical dmg is calculated tho so i can be plain wrong here.

Magus is running 45ish crit chance, and engi is More rangepower and lower crit. Both seem to do their tricks
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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#19 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:37 am

Pahakukka wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:47 am
reynor007 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:12 pm
Pahakukka wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:16 pm

I have found out that higher steady dmg is better on 1v1's than high crit chance, unless u can get the crit to well above 50%. Reasoning being that many ppl run with 3 FS which alone leaves you with 20ish chance chance to crit. atleast on engi I swapped back to range power build.
on WH you only have a 40% chance of crit damage, and this is always enough to consistently see crits on BO you can get 46% without a stone in the ring and a potion, critical damage in this game is the only thing that really increases damage, whatever one may say, if you don’t have crit and you’re not a slayer, it can’t be called DPS As far as I remember FS 3 gives -15%, this means that you will have about 0 crit chance, because the base crit for a character is on average 14, which means that on BO you will always have about 40% chance of critical damage
Will need to run some tests on My engi or magus someday, but i reasoned that If you crit every 1/5hits. You can make it up by boosting the regular hits with range Power (it does reduced The burst, but is More consistent). Im not sure on exact numbers on how critical dmg is calculated tho so i can be plain wrong here.

Magus is running 45ish crit chance, and engi is More rangepower and lower crit. Both seem to do their tricks
It is generally a better idea to scale the damage from several sources rather than a more one-dimensional approcah. Crit is imho a very significant contribution to being effective but i would not go beyond a certain point.

Tanks have the advantage of decent support crit tactics which means less focus is needed from gear/renown compared to say a white lion etc. For me personally the sweetspot is between 32-35% crit on tanks but i can manage with just 30%, it is enough to burst and kill.

For BO specifically you get two tactics for crit which could produce some nice results with the 5 - off sov set bonuses to crit. It might be worth it to aim for a higher value somewhere around 40ish.

The only tank i've seen being somewhat effective in solo without crit is SM , due to magical attacks and decent attack value scaling on abilities( unlike the chosen who has poor scaling so he needs to stack crit) , but this was before they nerfed SM .

As for mainstait you dont really need to go softcap or above 850-900 str on tanks, imho aim for weapon skill instead. With BO you can achieve 700WS selfbuffed and go off - sov crit instead of WL set.

P.S. On destro side don't have to prioritize overpowered def WE absorb tactic proc on crit so there is really no drawbacks to go with it.

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Re: Black orc solobitz!

Post#20 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:20 am

hordak774 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:55 am boring as shiet, full def bork..
This comment encapsulates the repulsive nature of "competitive" play style.
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