Are +40RR RvR armor sets overpriced ?

[fleegle]

Hi,

Returned to RoR one week ago and I see many changes (some good, some bad but overall I'm thankful that game is still online) and among them one thing which actually discourages me to play.

I was warned thru the chat in game and also in gearing guides I found in this forum that when I play my toons (which all are now around 40/50) I must omit some RVR armor sets and gear up by PvE(!). I was advised to omit Vanquisher, Invader and Warlord RvR armor sets and visit Gunbad, then city dungeon and then Bastion Stair to get PvE armor sets from there and unlock wards PvE way. Otherwise (I heard) I will not have enough crests to buy Sovereign Set at 80RR.

So ... player like me who came to game to enjoy it's unique RvR lakes is now forced to farm PvE Public Quests and dungeons to get PvE armour sets because otherwise I will not have enough warcrests from RvR to upgrade weapons and armour? Really ???

Sorry but... I don't like PvE dungeons (never managed to force myself to do Bastion Stair when I was playing on Mystics server and went once to Gunbad only to promise myself to never return). Also big part of my motivation to join the RR grind and level up my toons is to play fashionhammer and gear them with new shining armor set / get new look as soon as its possible. I want them to wear all RvR armor sets on my way to the top. Those sets and weapons were created to be used not to be omitted and gather dust – am I right ?

My humble opinion: if I’m not able to upgrade armor following RvR path Vanquisher -> Invader -> Warlord -> Sovereign by playing RvR only then one of those is true:
• RVR armor sets are overpriced or
• RoR is not giving players enough crests (when they lvl up) to gear up their toons

We all grind for Renown Rank (Realm vs Door not exist anymore and renown gains were nerfed) - I don’t understand why one grind is not enough and we must grind for crests too to be able to gear up. And ofc I appreciate all the PVE improvements, PQ fixes, new cities and so on (all those changes are great) but ... I came to this game to play RvR.

[Aethilmar]

This is factually incorrect. You will have enough crests for a full set of Sovereign plus weapons by somewhere around RR77 and certainly by rr80 by simply playing the game and purchasing the RvR sets as you go.

I have done this on multiple characters, almost all played solo or in PUG warbands.

The people saying you have to horde your crests are optimizing for having enough crests in the early RR70 range and possibly for having multiple sets.

[Paxsanarion]

This is factually incorrect. You will have enough crests for a full set of Sovereign plus weapons by somewhere around RR77 and certainly by rr80 by simply playing the game and purchasing the RvR sets as you go.

I have done this on multiple characters, almost all played solo or in PUG warbands.

The people saying you have to horde your crests are optimizing for having enough crests in the early RR70 range and possibly for having multiple sets.

I guess the question would be if this is still the case considering the decline in population. Seems there would not be the same amount RR available but perhaps AAO takes care of this.

[Aethilmar]

This is factually incorrect. You will have enough crests for a full set of Sovereign plus weapons by somewhere around RR77 and certainly by rr80 by simply playing the game and purchasing the RvR sets as you go.

I have done this on multiple characters, almost all played solo or in PUG warbands.

The people saying you have to horde your crests are optimizing for having enough crests in the early RR70 range and possibly for having multiple sets.

I guess the question would be if this is still the case considering the decline in population. Seems there would not be the same amount RR available but perhaps AAO takes care of this.

I haven't brought any characters up fully in last 3-4 months but the ones I have in the 6x range feel like they are on-track. You have to play the busiest times on occasions i.e. EU prime but, by definition, this is not a problem for most players in the game. I am personally on the US West Coast so other than Oceana folks I actually play in the deadest times.

BTW, I also believe the crest rate is a bit too low for so called "casual" players like myself i.e. not in any major guilds or regular groups. It would be nice if the drop rate was tweaked such that "casuals" could have enough crests for Sov the low 70s instead of the upper 70s as this would also allow folks to try some stuff out without be stuck one way or the other. For example, by the time you get to Sov you have to choose between three sets (and generally two play styles) for your character. If you buy the wrong Sov ... tough luck.

All that said, hard to have a decent discussion about the actual crest drop rate with the excessive amounts of dramatic (and incorrect) statements about the current state of things.

[anstalt]

My BO is currently RR78, and I've purchased the main RvR set all the way through. I've got full conq, vanq and invader. I am currently at 6 out of 8 sov pieces.

So, im a bit behind, somewhere in the region of 3500 crests short of being able to buy every piece on-level. I hope to be able to complete the set by 80.



I think it really depends on what your playstyle is. My BO was leveled almost entirely through SCs and PuG warbands, which meant that the crest-to-renown ratio was quite good....because renown income was low, so it was actually quite slow to level up.

By comparison, I'm currently leveling a squig herder and im at RR61. Being ranged DPS, I solo roam a lot, sometimes looking for small scale but if the zone is blobby, then i blob surf. I get so much more renown than I did on my black orc, but by comparison my crest income is a lot lower. I skipped vanq, and am now skipping invader, and I still don't really have that many crests. I'm pretty hopeful of having enough to get full sov on-level, but I definitely wouldn't if I tried to get vanq / invader (i don't even have enough crests to get invader, despite having skipped vanq and skipping renown weapons).



So, yeh, your experience is gonna vary depending on playstyle and class. Also be aware of how much time you spend in game - optimum crest income involves doing the weekly rvr and sc stuff, but then not playing any further. So, if you play only 1 toon, and you play it a lot, your renown will likely outstrip crests.


[NB I am in favour of just making all rvr gear sets purchasable with gold. the crest grind adds nothing to the game for me, instead it just means i can't experiment with off-sets or weird combinations. I've already put in my time ranking up, adding the crest lottery on top of that seems pointless.]

[SJHarrison4115]

Look— the recommendation IS to save your crests as much as possible, because SOV is indeed insanely pricey.

I do agree that having to turn to PVE to obtain gear is silly but it is an option. Especially when for a few builds/careers Bloodlord can be arguably better than Vanquisher.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me on this point, but heck, the forums are kind of the place to post opinions.

Sooo, it's my opinion that CR xp, RR xp are far too slow and War Crest drops aren't nearly enough. Especially when you compare spending 20 minutes in a PQ will net you 40+ War Tokens, but an hour in an RvR lake might get you like what? 30 Crests if you're quite good?

We're playing a ~15 year old game, the majority of the playerbase (look at Birthdays on the forum main page) are between 25-80+ (Yes theres been a few birthdays for people that age, hope you're still around).

Frankly, we're all too old and have too many bloody commitments to invest so many hours into the game. I'm not saying remove all grind, I'm just saying bring it within an acceptable scope to the majority of the playerbase.

Grind does not create fun, Grind at it's best implementation can be satisfaction for a job well done... but in it's current iteration I think it's only a dejected sigh of relief that the hassle is finally over.

None of us are sure how long we have with RoR, whether it be the playerbase dying off, or the Devs looking at other horizons and oppourtunities... keeping the pace this slow is not doing anyone any favours.

Frankly once you hit CR 16 and leave T1 RvR, the game more or less sucks until 40/50 thereabouts where it becomes tolerable and really RR70+ to become genuinely quite good.

I've been leveling a new character for two weeks and playing what I would consider to be a lot (3/4 hours a night) and I'm CR 26/RR 30 currently. This is too long for me personally and I think being around CR 32/RR 36 would be a much more appropriate timing for the gameplay investment.

Not saying at all that I'm empirically correct in my opinion, I'm just sharing where I'm at, at the moment. Especially with Burnout on the horizon, which I really, really want to avoid.

[Xiander]

You will be fine, assuming you are happy with 1 full set of sov gear (this isn't considered BiS on most roles) you should have enough crests by the time you hit ~rr81 even if you buy conqueror - vanq - invader - Sovereign with your war crests.

But problems is that once you want to get BiS gear, ranked rings that cost 9999 crests each or lets say you play tank and want to have both SnB and two-handed gear or DoK/WP who might want to have 3 different sets or generally if you want to play with different kind of set bonuses, here the problems start because you are forced to choose your gear/spec that you want to focus on and once you have chosen the path there is no turning back, you will be grinding.

Right now, before my break i was working on my Sorceress, i have 214 hours played and during that time i have earned 11 645 crests total at rr73.5. I have spend 3125 crests on low level sets from decimator to vanquisher, i want to add that i bought gloves + boots with gold, invader set i unlocked by doing bastion stairs for the bloodlord set that leaves me at 8520 crests, i'm missing 10 123 crests from my Triumphant (Ring,gloves,boots and belt) + rest SoV mix. Now the played time isn't as accurated because i have spend time on cultivating ingame and doing dungeon runs but lets say i play the same way as i have done so far, it will be taking around the same played time to get last missing war crests. So you can imagine if i was playing tank who needed multiple sets it would mean i need to play 3x more played time to get either my missing SnB or two-handed gear, after buying my main set.

I'm definitely not playing most optimally since i'm not joining scenario premades or warbands since generally there aren't really any advertisement going on in /lfg channel for these groups.

[kleinbuchstabe]

I can not confirm wat other people are saying here. Maybe its because my chars are old, from a time where are sov, ivader and SC crests. I dont know exactly how it works when you build up a char from zero with the new crest system. But my situation is, that i got a RR71 DoK, who is still missing 3 invader parts and got around 700 crests in his bag. So im sure he will be rr80 when invader is full. And I wonder how long it would take to get endgear setup. Maybe the char will be rr85 before he got at least one full endgear set.

Another intersting question would be, how long it took you to got your chars to that point. Because i think, the time factor is also important in the matter of price to pay, no only the relation between crests and renown. Cause even if that would be balanced, what i doubt somehow for the most of us, it defenetly does matter how long it takes. When you need 6 months plus to reach that point while playing every day, i would still remain on the opinion, that the progress is too slow and therefore the gameplay experience is unsatisfying, especially for new-or backcomers. So when we talk about "overpriced", then we also should considering, what price of time we have to pay to come that far. And i think in that matter, its defenetly overpriced, cause it just takes too long for the most players, who got an engaging real life.

[illumius]

I don't understand the author of the post. The developers have given an alternative way to skip outdated sets during a week of trips to the most simplified dungeons. This is also due to the degradation of RVR, when, instead of capturing the zone, the leaders have priority on farm kills.

Developers can reduce the cost of the final sets, and hundreds of players will leave the project at once, so many are held by the process of their character's progress

[georgehabadasher]

So it's not super bad if you're a tank, because you really just need defensive sov. My tank saved every crest and bought full warlord, but is about 7k crests short of sov at 78. It's really bad on a DPS though because you need the tri ring or you lose out on 130 WS or 6% crit. Most dps only get tri ring at rr82-83, even if they save every crest.