STR or WS on talismans (and/or renown)? - Calculation tool

[leftayparxoun]

Per request, I made a calculator to help people decide between STR or WS talismans and/or from renown points for physical damage classes.
To use it properly you have to download the spreadsheet to edit it and input stuff according to the instructions.

It works on an ability and target basis. Basically you can only examine an ability used vs a specific target at a time. You can check if STR or WS (or a mix) is what's most worth it for the most important abilities in your rotation and decide accordingly for what talismans to use. I have also included some Enemy stat templates if you are unsure what to input there.

Feel free to fiddle around with it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
If you don't understand something or feel like the file itself doesn't do a good enough job at explaining something, then by all means leave a comment here.

P.S. This calculator works for Ballistic Skill too; just input BS in the same cells as you would STR (and Ranged Power instead of Melee Power)

[Uchoo]

Cool concept, but I don't like to download links x.x

It would be cool if you just built Templates for an entire spec and just mapped out the 3-5 important abilities that a spec typically uses and show them on a graph, maybe vs 3 template targets, 0 armor/0 toughness (common debuffed DPS), non debuffed light armor, medium armor, etc.

[leftayparxoun]

It would be cool if you just built Templates for an entire spec and just mapped out the 3-5 important abilities that a spec typically uses and show them on a graph, maybe vs 3 template targets, 0 armor/0 toughness (common debuffed DPS), non debuffed light armor, medium armor, etc.

Considered it but was too much work
What's required is mapping out the important abilities, calculating the pre-talisman stats for the build(s) they wanna check and finally selecting the buffed/debuffed targets to test those abilities on (I have made some templates to help there). It can be best done on an individual basis since not everyone uses the same gear/mastery/renown builds, or wants to focus the same targets, or even attacks them under the same debuffs (compared to orvr builds, smallscale/sc ST builds might always wanna factor in armor and TOU debuffs for example).

If someone goes through that effort they are more than welcome to post their findings here.

[reynor007]

Per request, I made a calculator to help people decide between STR or WS talismans and/or from renown points for physical damage classes.
To use it properly you have to download the spreadsheet to edit it and input stuff according to the instructions.

It works on an ability and target basis. Basically you can only examine an ability used vs a specific target at a time. You can check if STR or WS (or a mix) is what's most worth it for the most important abilities in your rotation and decide accordingly for what talismans to use. I have also included some Enemy stat templates if you are unsure what to input there.

Feel free to fiddle around with it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
If you don't understand something or feel like the file itself doesn't do a good enough job at explaining something, then by all means leave a comment here.

P.S. This calculator works for Ballistic Skill too; just input BS in the same cells as you would STR (and Ranged Power instead of Melee Power)

different abilities get different bonuses to damage from powers, if you take that into account, then it's definitely a very useful thing, thank you

[wildwindblows]

STR melee power damage scaling is really bad on mara. Anyone tested on any other mdps?

[Bohavwn]

Str scaling is terrible for monstro marauder. It's only slightly better for the other two specs and melee bonus damage is terrible across all mdps as far as i can tell. But yea marauder is the worst. I don't think it was as bad on live. I think there was some kind of nerf specific to Ror.

[yoluigi]

I wonder how IB/BG do I have not tried high ws on bg but tried it on ib and did alot more dmg overall. Dont know if still the case since the ws change etc.

[Allbback]

STR melee power damage scaling is really bad on mara. Anyone tested on any other mdps?

probly bcuz mara is the nerfest character in this server ..... i test on ws and str , ws really good str really bad

[wildwindblows]

Str scaling is terrible for monstro marauder. It's only slightly better for the other two specs and melee bonus damage is terrible across all mdps as far as i can tell. But yea marauder is the worst. I don't think it was as bad on live. I think there was some kind of nerf specific to Ror.

160 str provides 35 more damage for impale and 17 more damage for rend so i dont think scale is good for others stances. This is the reason why Monstro mara is strong but other stances are sucks.

[Uchoo]

Most AoE abilities in the game have poorer scaling with Damage Bonus. This is very intentional so AoE abilities don't get too strong. The result of this is that for Physical Damage, Weapon Skill does tend to win out to scale AoE Damage. Coupled with the fact that you are hitting a much broader range of Armour values and there aren't a lot of high-potency AoE Armour debuffs.

When I was testing Borc scaling years back, Keep it Goin'! was equivalent to 950 Strength on my Borc; pretty high value tactic!