Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)

[DiscoFish]

I think they could solve this solution by giving an ability the "Requires Great Weapon/Dual Wield" tag (not forgetting about DoK). Having a 6 second snare on a 10 second cooldown that requires a curse is really hard to work with. I don't really see 2H WP as much of a healer past T1.
The flip side to everyone that is going to put me on blast and tell me to play salvation, get good or your not supposed to have a full tool kit is you are just going to see me play my White Lion more. I don't want to play an elf but having no way to fight range or kill people that pop snare remove+charge gets old pretty fast.

[Alubert]

RoR is a team game.
Your tank in your group has a slowdown. Not every class/spec has access to all capabilities, and it's fortunate that they don't.
It's all about the composition of the group.
Just like dedicated mdps classes don't have access to Focused Mind m2 and you do. If you use instead of FM Syphon it's already your problem getting rid of the best morale in the game.

[Gargis]

Yea ROR is a team game and all the best CC and run speed increasers are on Destro.

I find it curious that either I missed it or the rest of you have. The BO is only tank with essentially a charge. Line-cracker with Wez-bigger.

They decided to nerf all the snares, yet keep COC and add a BO charge so they can kill all those AM faster with the melee train, but adding a gap closer on the WP. Well that BS is unacceptable.

You can't make this s@%t up.

[leftayparxoun]

Yea ROR is a team game and all the best CC and run speed increasers are on Destro.

Faction differences define each side's identity and playstyle.
Destro has better AOE CCs, innate tankiness and ability to pump Morale faster while Order has better upfront Burst, better sustain tools, higher strikethrough on average and are also better suited for ranged kite comps. Viewing only one of these differences in isolation is not the best way to look at, since both factions need to play to their strengths and utilize their unique tools to succeed.

I find it curious that either I missed it or the rest of you have. The BO is only tank with essentially a charge. Line-cracker with Wez-bigger.

All SnB tanks have access to the 8pc Sovereign granted skill:

Granted, it has 2 minutes cooldown compared to BO's 30 seconds, but it lasts 10 s instead of 6 and affects all nearby allies and not just party mates like Linecracka does. In most warbands you'll find at least a couple BIS SnB tanks meaning that Leading the Charge will be available quite often.

They decided to nerf all the snares, yet keep COC and add a BO charge so they can kill all those AM faster with the melee train, but adding a gap closer on the WP. Well that BS is unacceptable.

Disciple of Khaine also doesn't have a gap closer, but both classes have not yet been part of the Healer Balancing Rework so we don't know for sure what the future holds for them. For the rest of the complaint please refer to the first part of this answer regarding faction differences.

[Gargis]

Disciple of Khaine also doesn't have a gap closer, but both classes have not yet been part of the Healer Balancing Rework so we don't know for sure what the future holds for them. For the rest of the complaint please refer to the first part of this answer regarding faction differences.

That depends how you wish to define a gap closer. What the DOK has is COC and with tactic has a 35% chance to proc, and it can be use with melee or ranged abilities.

Yea, I would call that a gap closer, and it far better than anything Order has, its it does not invoke immunities, unlike the range KD for order. Pounce on WL, yea its good, and not surprisingly SH has it also.

Like I said, the Desto has the best CC and run speed increasers. LC/WB + LTC on BO, 16s of run speed increase, 6s of which with immunities. Can't make this garbage up, yea I get it , its not a good look. If order tried to emulate that , they would first has to give up WW, then pick up the new ability in the mid tree, use it, burn a gcd, then pop LTC. Yea there is a way to get 6s of rs with immunity but at heavy cost. But no worries, we can still have WW variant on the BG intact coupled with the WB/LC.

Can't make this up. Some ppl just like "twisting" in the wind.

[Zxul]

That depends how you wish to define a gap closer. What the DOK has is COC and with tactic has a 35% chance to proc, and it can be use with melee or ranged abilities.
Yea, I would call that a gap closer, and it far better than anything Order has, its it does not invoke immunities, unlike the range KD for order.

To deliver that CoC from range, it requires dok to use Fist of Khaine- ability which costs class resource which dps dok can't regain while being kited. Well, unless he tries to dps with chalice, meaning having no dmg. On top, to also be snare immune to actually benefit from that gap closer, dok either (dw) needs to use a skill with additional high class resource cost (Unyielding Tormentor), or (snb) to use a skill which is a channel (Soul Ward), which prevents him from using the Fist/CoC in the first place.

Pounce on WL, yea its good, and not surprisingly SH has it also.

The big difference is, mSH doesn't has the frontal burst which wl has. Sure mSH can pounce, but it doesn't helps much when he doesn't has the burst to finish the target after.

Like I said, the Desto has the best CC and run speed increasers. LC/WB + LTC on BO, 16s of run speed increase, 6s of which with immunities. Can't make this garbage up, yea I get it , its not a good look.

Order has 2 ranged KDs (sw + bw), destro has non. For that matter, bw also has a heal debuff, which sorc doesn't has. Order has the same LTC. Order has a class with a pull + pounce + high frontal burst- wl, destro has nothing even close. Making stuff up, as you do, is indeed not a good look.

[Gargis]

"To deliver that CoC from range, it requires dok to use Fist of Khaine- ability which costs class resource which dps dok can't regain while being kited. Well, unless he tries to dps with chalice, meaning having no dmg. On top, to also be snare immune to actually benefit from that gap closer, dok either (dw) needs to use a skill with additional high class resource cost (Unyielding Tormentor), or (snb) to use a skill which is a channel (Soul Ward), which prevents him from using the Fist/CoC in the first place."

Right because a rdps class could never proc it? /boggle selective reading much?

Every melee and rdps class on desto can proc COC, its not necessary for DOK to spam resources to 0, and given the cleave radius in this game. The entire desto spam-fest acts a default gap closer, unlike Orders snares, which if you ever configured your buff head, there is a higher up time on COC compared to WoS and ES.

Despite the entire destro team acting as gap closer with COC, which Order of course does not have access to. Your are bent on making sure that the only mdps spec on Order has none. Clear bias, thanks for pointing that out as I knew you would.

[Zxul]

"To deliver that CoC from range, it requires dok to use Fist of Khaine- ability which costs class resource which dps dok can't regain while being kited. Well, unless he tries to dps with chalice, meaning having no dmg. On top, to also be snare immune to actually benefit from that gap closer, dok either (dw) needs to use a skill with additional high class resource cost (Unyielding Tormentor), or (snb) to use a skill which is a channel (Soul Ward), which prevents him from using the Fist/CoC in the first place."

Right because a rdps class could never proc it? /boggle selective reading much?

Every melee and rdps class on desto can proc COC, its not necessary for DOK to spam resources to 0, and given the cleave radius in this game. The entire desto spam-fest acts a default gap closer, unlike Orders snares, which if you ever configured your buff head, there is a higher up time on COC compared to WoS and ES.

Despite the entire destro team acting as gap closer with COC, which Order of course does not have access to. Your are bent on making sure that the only mdps spec on Order has none. Clear bias, thanks for pointing that out as I knew you would.

So apparently, it wasn't clear enough for you that in thread about wp/ dok gap closer, you will get answer about wp/ dok gap closer, and not about other classes in a party with wp/ dok. Don't worry, I still believe in you, if you try a bit more you will manage.

As for cleave radius and "mdps spec on Order", cleave on destro mdps is 25 ft, same as on order. If mdps in within 25 ft of the target, the target is already in melee range.

So I guess the next one will be about dok teamed with axe throwing mara chasing am, and how it is "clear bias".

[vanbuinen77]

Melee healers can have a gap closer when lifetaps are affected by heal debuffs.

[Endari]

the melee heal that is affected by parry, block, dodge, toughness, absorb, armor, line of sight, detaunt, interrupt, knockdown, punt, disarm and range(both to close and to far) also needs to be affected by heal debuffs?