Feeling Discouraged

[Mooselager]

Hello all,

I'm new to the server. I've leveled and archmage to 25/33 and I'm getting frustrated with the game. I was having a blast in tier 1 and when I got to 16, I was excited to start participating in tier 2+. For a while it was going well. I was a part of warbands that cared about taking objectives, capping supplies and sieging'defending keeps. We took a few zones and got into some large scale battles. I was having so much fun. Yet it seems that I was just lucky in the beginning because those experiences became less frequent and I was kicked from several warbands for "being too low level", got into warbands where all people cared about was getting kills, and I could no longer win 1v1s because competing with people in RR45+ gear is simply not possible when you're a bolstered rank 20-something. I remember in tier 1 I had a reasonable chance of surviving an attempted gank by a with elf, and even managed to win a few 1v1s with witch elves by the skin of my teeth and it felt good. Now when a witch elf ganks me I get CC'd immediately and often killed before the CC wears off. I can handle a loss and still have fun, but It's no fun when you can't even fight back...

What I'm hoping someone will do for me is give me a reason to stick around. Does the game get better at rank 40? I want the game to be like it was in tier 1; taking objectives, capping supplies, large scale battles on even footing and being able to hold my own in 1v1s. If all tier 2+ is is a bunch of murder posses running around ganking each other, then I see myself leaving the game real fast. Please tell me it gets better and that people do generally care about the objectives and that when I get RR45+ gear I can reasonably survive 1v1s again. :/

Since you've only been getting dishonest/selfish/game-sustaining replies.

The game changes after T1, T1 will never be T2/3/4 or vice versa.

End-game often becomes cat & mouse with the sides trying to manuever to the most Renown gain while giving the enemy as little as possible & that includes swapping to alt faction, doesn't sound fun? because it isn't.

Seeing it for yourself is the only real way to find out if this game is for you though, but I will be honest that I think you will not enjoy yourself even after reaching RR60-70.

As others, you can join up with the guild, although they use generous wording & terms to help coax you.In reality its; Follow the guild rules, run the min-max build, and do what your told or be passively-aggressively alienated. Of course guilds will have the good-cop bad-cop officers to balance each other out.
EVERY guild I have seen does this, they have appear light & friendly yet have officers that are huge assholes to new players to try and get them to play their way.

[MaidLeila]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Feels good when people come together to help you.

I tried queueing for SCs and the queue took 30 minutes. I can try again at a different time but I really don't want to wait for 30 minute queues so I just decided to try joining warbands again. Things didn't go well for order yesterday, lol. I had pretty much the same experience; warband leaders didn't communicate much, either ignored or brushed off my questions and abandoned objectives and boxes to go hunt for kills. There was one moment where after we took an objective, there were two boxes waiting to be capped, no one took them and the whole warband ran off without saying anything. I asked in chat "shouldn't we leave a group here to play defense?". No response. I stayed behind to try and take boxes. Then not one minute after they left 3 destro showed up, killed me, destroyed the two boxes and took the objective. I said "we just lost a BO and two boxes because we didn't defend" and the warband leader responded with "our wb not use box". Huh? Then 5 minutes later they abandon the zone to go to a less populated one to hunt for kills and shortly after destro sieged and took the zone. *sigh*

Something good did come out of it though. I got a few compliments on my healing ability and a guild took notice of me when I said in chat "Is there a way to coordinate melee staying together and not getting too far away from healers? I'm tired of seeing TOO FAR AWAY and CAN'T SEE TARGET!". They invited me to their Discord and I joined a voice call and did some roaming with them (there were only 3 of us so we couldn't really do objectives). They were kind and patient and offered me help. I'm hoping that things go well with this guild because I'd rather play like this than in PUGs and that they enjoy playing the game as it was designed and not just ganking.

I'm going to respec my character to be full path of Isha and focus on healing. I was path of Vaul before but I find that I mostly cast healing spells and as path of Vaul they aren't as effective. In two more ranks I can buy the next RvR set and I can salvage RvR gear to make gems.

After experiencing the RvR content I find trying to do PQs and questing to be really boring. I can't stomach doing it for very long. I can still try doing dungeons when I hit rank 40 because I enjoy raid healing in WoW and FF14.

From now on what I'm going to do is try to hang with this guild and, if they're not available, join a PUG and hope for the best. I really want things to work out with this guild and I get to make some friends. I don't enjoy PQs all that much and SC queues take too long. If things start to become discouraging I'll just go level a different character in tier 1. I'm a healer main at heart but I really want to try swordmaster, white lion, warrior priest, knight of the blazing sun and witch hunter.

Thank you to everyone again for the advice. I am taking it to heart and trying to follow it. I'm not giving up on the game just yet. I want to experience being max rank first.

EDIT: replying to Mooselager. Thank you for this as well. Criticisms of the state of the game are worth considering. I want to experience it more for myself, and if what you say ends up being the case then I can simply move on to another game or stay in tier 1.

[Elzog]

Get into a guild, run groups with your buddies, it'll be much more fun.
High rank players love ganking low levels and beginners, for some reason.
Some are honorable and will let you go but others will camp you and jump you as soon as they see you.
I guess that's the only way they feel good /shrug

On my highest characters, if a low level player is showing he's willing to back up, i'll let him go.

Good luck out there, hope you find a cool guild with good buddies to help you out.

[Noslock]

The game begins when you r bis geared.Keep going .

[Culexus]

Something good did come out of it though. I got a few compliments on my healing ability and a guild took notice of me when I said in chat "Is there a way to coordinate melee staying together and not getting too far away from healers? I'm tired of seeing TOO FAR AWAY and CAN'T SEE TARGET!". They invited me to their Discord and I joined a voice call and did some roaming with them (there were only 3 of us so we couldn't really do objectives). They were kind and patient and offered me help. I'm hoping that things go well with this guild because I'd rather play like this than in PUGs and that they enjoy playing the game as it was designed and not just ganking.

That's the way to do it as a support class for sure. Be competent with your class and players will notice and invite you to groups.

I'd recommend joining scenario groups when they're looking for players in /5 LFG chat. That's a great way to meet other players, and you can make a lot of connections with other good players to form regular groups that way.

[gav88]

Hi folks, just to chime in and extend another new players experience.

Past level 20 the game starts to feel like a mindless slog vs the earlier levels and it has the potential to be a much better experience.

I'm sure that for some at endgame, they would like to keep things as they are, which is understandable given they have worked hard to get where they are but there seems to be some truth to this being the drop off point for the majority of new players and if the community wants to increase player retention I feel that somethings got to change.

I am currently 26/30 and trying to progress renown levels is starting become a chore and I'm sure it only gets tougher from here out. Don't get me wrong, I understand the relevance of pacing in an MMO but it's hard to shake the feeling that time may be better placed elsewhere in terms of gaming.

I've been given some great tips in relation to keeping on top of gear, slotting talismans and getting into groups for locking zones but the progression feels very slow for the effort you need to invest.

I have had a better experience than the OP with oRvR warbands and I do think that class selection plays an import role here as well as group play.

Scenarios are my biggest gripe. I really enjoy this type of gameplay but at renown rank 30, it's taking over ten scenario wins for one renown level and lets just say that time to get ten scenarios to pop, never mind the fact that ill likely need 15-20 games per level is just not a pleasant experience.

If the pace of progression in mid tier was a bit faster I think people could handle the longer que times but as it stands it feels like much pain and little gain.

[Ragnaroek93]

Having a similar experience. T1 was super fun. T1 and T2 battlegrounds are super fun. And then there's T2+ world PvP. Describing it as frustrating (at least for lower leveled players) is a huge understatement. Wish that there would be 1-3 small T2 zones or at least that battlegrounds would give more renown because matching level 16-39 (and even fresh 40) players against rank 80 players isn't the way...

[shoelessHN]

Hi folks, just to chime in and extend another new players experience.

Past level 20 the game starts to feel like a mindless slog vs the earlier levels and it has the potential to be a much better experience.

I'm sure that for some at endgame, they would like to keep things as they are, which is understandable given they have worked hard to get where they are but there seems to be some truth to this being the drop off point for the majority of new players and if the community wants to increase player retention I feel that somethings got to change.

I am currently 26/30 and trying to progress renown levels is starting become a chore and I'm sure it only gets tougher from here out. Don't get me wrong, I understand the relevance of pacing in an MMO but it's hard to shake the feeling that time may be better placed elsewhere in terms of gaming.

I've been given some great tips in relation to keeping on top of gear, slotting talismans and getting into groups for locking zones but the progression feels very slow for the effort you need to invest.

I have had a better experience than the OP with oRvR warbands and I do think that class selection plays an import role here as well as group play.

Scenarios are my biggest gripe. I really enjoy this type of gameplay but at renown rank 30, it's taking over ten scenario wins for one renown level and lets just say that time to get ten scenarios to pop, never mind the fact that ill likely need 15-20 games per level is just not a pleasant experience.

If the pace of progression in mid tier was a bit faster I think people could handle the longer que times but as it stands it feels like much pain and little gain.

I rolled a new char like 10 days ago. By day 7 I was like 25/42 with 1500ish crests and 50 genesis crests. Zero scenarios.

Progression is just fine.

If you want scenarios you need to play EU times as there will be enough in queue to get pops even with active sieges. During NA times scenarios completely die when a siege is going on.

[Faction69]

Yea unfortunately scenarios aren't always up in mid tier bracket nor t1. But when they are it's the best EXP. Every weekend there is a special scenario weekend and one of them is chosen for double exp/renown - this can help a lot.

[Faction69]

Hi folks, just to chime in and extend another new players experience.

Past level 20 the game starts to feel like a mindless slog vs the earlier levels and it has the potential to be a much better experience.

I'm sure that for some at endgame, they would like to keep things as they are, which is understandable given they have worked hard to get where they are but there seems to be some truth to this being the drop off point for the majority of new players and if the community wants to increase player retention I feel that somethings got to change.

I am currently 26/30 and trying to progress renown levels is starting become a chore and I'm sure it only gets tougher from here out. Don't get me wrong, I understand the relevance of pacing in an MMO but it's hard to shake the feeling that time may be better placed elsewhere in terms of gaming.

I've been given some great tips in relation to keeping on top of gear, slotting talismans and getting into groups for locking zones but the progression feels very slow for the effort you need to invest.

I have had a better experience than the OP with oRvR warbands and I do think that class selection plays an import role here as well as group play.

Scenarios are my biggest gripe. I really enjoy this type of gameplay but at renown rank 30, it's taking over ten scenario wins for one renown level and lets just say that time to get ten scenarios to pop, never mind the fact that ill likely need 15-20 games per level is just not a pleasant experience.

If the pace of progression in mid tier was a bit faster I think people could handle the longer que times but as it stands it feels like much pain and little gain.

I rolled a new char like 10 days ago. By day 7 I was like 25/42 with 1500ish crests and 50 genesis crests. Zero scenarios.

Progression is just fine.

If you want scenarios you need to play EU times as there will be enough in queue to get pops even with active sieges. During NA times scenarios completely die when a siege is going on.

Farming crests on an alt as an experienced player only concerned with optimal gearing once they hit max level is obviously not the same thing as the new player experience for someone learning as they go along.