BIS for solo 2H chosen?

[kazuya482]

AM feels like they're playing a single player game. No idea why that class is allowed to be that busted, and for this long.

You definitely can't outheal AM dots no matter how much regen either. Just an insane class.

[Farrul]

I've been running the WL/SOV/VIC set combo for a while now. The reason I avoid the Grimshimmer chest is because players learn quickly you wear it (they inspect you on Killboard) and will avoid you all together if you have too much Heal Over Time.

I run around +300 every 4 seconds, which can make your solo fights close in some cases, but can also give you enough to get away from bad encounters (multiple enemies joining, etc.).

If you go full +460 + lini (+80) you end being igrnore like that Fatdrunk IB or that Slayer H'somthing (though I like his approach with Slayer given how crappy the mechanic is).

I wouldn't worry about that unless your dps is too low, with enough pressure and clever aggressive gameplay you won't be ignored for long, maybe emote spammed by the prima donnas of ror . With 5 off sov/grimmer/vic it creates a bit more offensive pressure than WL.

As for full regen stack(sentinel regen jewel etc) it can be justifiable vs ranged classes and in 1vsx battles(use closed goblin addon for quick gear swaps).

I would personally avoid it in 1vs1 against melee classes since there is no fun to gain from it, just a prolonged boredom or vs honorable duelers. Even with grimmer shimmer one does not have to surpass the 3xx regen treshold( avoid lini, sentinel jewel etc).

[Sanctific]

AMs are only an issue when you run a 2h built chosen (I know, I know, the thread is about 2h).

The moment you go S&B with 13 dread/16 discord, sov (main, not off)+wl+vic, str talis & str pot, max disrupt+block renown (and the rest rly as per you liking, 1x quick escape is highly advisable tho) - you end up having tough time to find anything you CANT beat 1v1, would that be AM or anything at all.

Against AMs - the combination of HOTL, tezeentchs reflection, siphoned energy, discordant fluctuation, backlash & agony (upon reaching them after their initial punt) work like a charm. However, don't forget power from the gods tactic, its nearly a must have vs AMs.
I've seen so many people saying that AMs are nearly unbeatable for a chosen of any spec - I have no idea whats up with that...mb they never really cared to test out discord spec with hybrid gear? For me personally - a super good SW who knows how to kite at max range and doesn't shun using "Flee" when you use it (he gotta have quick fingers tho, those 60ft between life & death for them isn't a long distance) is a much tougher opponent in 1v1...Not that there is more than 1-2 SWs on the server which are capable of pulling that off & such a feat (max/near-max distance kiting) would still be subject to some immense luck on their end, but still.

I personally almost stopped solo-raomign with the above build since
(a)It feels like a cheat at times, even more than my 80ish dps AM
(b)I cant find a fight, people do 180 degree turn when they see that sort of a chosen

P.S: There is a significant downside of this build tho if compared to, say, chad build - even 1v2s are a gamble at times (given that your opponents are 70+), and anything that is 1v3++ is almost a certain loss (unless they are of low RR).

[Farrul]

Against AMs - the combination of HOTL, tezeentchs reflection, siphoned energy, discordant fluctuation, backlash & agony (upon reaching them after their initial punt) work like a charm. However, don't forget power from the gods tactic, its nearly a must have vs AMs.
I've seen so many people saying that AMs are nearly unbeatable for a chosen of any spec - I have no idea whats up with that...mb they never really cared to test out discord spec with hybrid gear? For me personally - a super good SW who knows how to kite at max range and doesn't shun using "Flee" when you use it (he gotta have quick fingers tho, those 60ft between life & death for them isn't a long distance) is a much tougher opponent in 1v1...Not that there is more than 1-2 SWs on the server which are capable of pulling that off & such a feat (max/near-max distance kiting) would still be subject to some immense luck on their end, but still.

SnB specs (chosens included) won't beat anyone half decent, since you don't have the damage to prevent someone from ignoring you. So no AM is going to bother attacking a SnB 1vs1 as it is considered a waste of time( indeed it is).

The only exception is the Iron breaker, it has has enough offence(when built offensively) to actually be a threat to a goblin etc.

I personally almost stopped solo-raomign with the above build since
(a)It feels like a cheat at times, even more than my 80ish dps AM
(b)I cant find a fight, people do 180 degree turn when they see that sort of a chosen

2H Swordsmaster will counter SnB chosen if you duel without retreating. You don't have the dps to kill a regen/toughness/resistance stacking one but 2H SM has the damage to kill the SnB chosen over time, an upphill battle for the SnB Chosen.

Those that solo roam with SnB will soon find themselves playing something else since they're either getting ignored, or ganked situation. IB being the exception,

[Sanctific]

SnB specs (chosens included) won't beat anyone half decent, since you don't have the damage to prevent someone from ignoring you. So no AM is going to bother attacking a SnB 1vs1 as it is considered a waste of time( indeed it is).

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The only exception is the Iron breaker, it has has enough offence(when built offensively) to actually be a threat to a goblin etc.

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Those that solo roam with SnB will soon find themselves playing something else since they're either getting ignored, or ganked situation. IB being the exception,

I was so tempted to make my first-ever PvP video after this comment but then I was like "hold on a sec, to prove a point in respect to damage capabilities - there are plenty of videos already, why make another one just for the sake of winning on forums". So, in short - youtube, search for Rebiff, SnB videos. Those show SnB chosen's dps rather well.

However, my spec is even more dps-ier than what Rebiffs has shown with his SnB build due to the fact that I go dread/discord and not dread/corruption as Rebiff (i.e. my Touch of Palsy, seeping wound, ravage hit heavy af). I lose access to ST KD, oppression, improved toughness aura & mixed defenses but...well, you will see below

Pros of going discord instead of corruption: more DPS (significantly!), ability to beat the crap out of AMs. Thus you are pretty much at the absolute top of the food chain when it comes to 1v1 in lakes. Moreover, people cant just peacefully run away from you then, you're dps-y af and are getting down anything that isn't a healer or a tank within 20-ish sec normally unless they start running for their lives which normally doesn't help in any case where the exceptions are WH for obvious reasons, stagger-leap is super annoying and WL with pet, lion KDs you whilst WL sprint-runs. Tanks just take longer and healers-healers...well to hell with them ;p
Cons: Whilst you feel super cheaty in 1v1s - 1v2 become tricky and 1v3s++ normally arent winnable if opponents are geared+skilled. But, I went discord instead of corruption with full knowledge of the downsides - my aim was not to beat 2/3+ opponents but rather build an ultimate duelist chosen in 1v1 (game is not about 1v1 etc etc but that was my goal and that's what I enjoy so...)

[Farrul]

Pros of going discord instead of corruption: more DPS (significantly!), ability to beat the crap out of AMs. Thus you are pretty much at the absolute top of the food chain when it comes to 1v1 in lakes. Moreover, people cant just peacefully run away from you then, you're dps-y af and are getting down anything that isn't a healer or a tank within 10-15 sec normally unless they start running for their lives which normally doesn't help in any case with the exceptions are WH for obvious reasons, stagger-leap is super annoying and WL with pet, lion KDs you whilst WL sprint-runs. Tanks just take longer and healers-healers...well to hell with them ;p
Cons: Whilst you feel super cheaty in 1v1s - 1v2 become tricky and 1v3s++ normally arent winnable if opponents are geared+skilled. But, I went discord instead of corruption with full knowledge of the downsides - my aim was not to beat 2/3+ opponents but rather build an ultimate duelist chosen in 1v1 (game is not about 1v1 etc etc but that was my goal and that's what I enjoy so...)

If AM knows about the detaunts button and heals a SnB tank will be doing little damage to it sorry, of course i assume the AM is not an dps / oppressor player in 6k wounds whilst your beating it in full BIS , lol. Although i will admit there are some pretty bad players in the rvr lakes, they panic and allow themselves to be killed doing silly mistakes.

An equal geared AM that is not suffering from low gaming IQ has really nothing to fear from SnB, the damage to kill it is not there. You have little crit, no real healing debuff. The best dot is touch of palsry which against a good player does exactly 0 dps 1vs1( stand still, use ID in buffhead to see the effect).

Ravage spam with a SnB vs a detaunt + heal? You may kill it as a part of an assist train whilst that WE/Mara/SH etc is doing the heavy work.

Also videos are poor evidence, they are heavily editet vs random targets. But please make the video i have an open mind . I know all the good 1vs1 AM players on the server since i've been into it for years. Let's see.

But to your main point: To be on the top of the food chain a class requires to be a fast killer, since you're guaranteed to get adds in the lakes. For destro this is the Magus currently. The reason why 2H chosen/2H SM works is because they are tanky enough whilst still doing ok dps( chosen tankier, SM more damage).

You may get a good duels vs other regen tanks willing to do 1vs1, although you won't beat a regen SM that knows how to abuse taunt/KD vs Chosen. Otherwise i would say a SnB tank spends most of the time bored in the lakes, either players running away from it or getting ganked by at least 3 much faster classes, having to try-hard on blue regen pots even to stay alive. Not on top of anything except maybe frustration imho.

The Iron breaker is the exception since it does good burst, bursty reflect dmg at full grugdes and has a porper heal debuff to mess with the shaman( if it can catch it). Although once you have killed a few and revealed your name you will be getting ignored anyways by the majority of players ( since IBS are still slow running tanks) and then ganked 1vs4.

And yes any healing involved you might as well log out.

[vanbuinen77]

Depends on tactics and auras used as well

[diegomess]

chosen can win against a dps AM with enough dmg, no need for daemonclaw but u need power of the gods, and very high crit, its doable.

with power of the gods u dont need ap aura, u dont necessary need high disrupt as well even for the speed, AM doesnt have that great kiting as other classes

Against hybrid u cant win, everytime u threaten them with your damage u get detaunted and thats the end of your dmg while u get slowly killed and they can still heal. they dont even need to kite

healer AM nothing dies, just hope they detaunted something else instead.

best builds for chosen is investing in your strenghts, that is crit or anticrit or parry or disrupt, even high stats one but thats boring and barely noticeable

[jafh123]

AMs are only an issue when you run a 2h built chosen (I know, I know, the thread is about 2h).

The moment you go S&B with 13 dread/16 discord, sov (main, not off)+wl+vic, str talis & str pot, max disrupt+block renown (and the rest rly as per you liking, 1x quick escape is highly advisable tho) - you end up having tough time to find anything you CANT beat 1v1, would that be AM or anything at all.

Against AMs - the combination of HOTL, tezeentchs reflection, siphoned energy, discordant fluctuation, backlash & agony (upon reaching them after their initial punt) work like a charm. However, don't forget power from the gods tactic, its nearly a must have vs AMs.
I've seen so many people saying that AMs are nearly unbeatable for a chosen of any spec - I have no idea whats up with that...mb they never really cared to test out discord spec with hybrid gear? For me personally - a super good SW who knows how to kite at max range and doesn't shun using "Flee" when you use it (he gotta have quick fingers tho, those 60ft between life & death for them isn't a long distance) is a much tougher opponent in 1v1...Not that there is more than 1-2 SWs on the server which are capable of pulling that off & such a feat (max/near-max distance kiting) would still be subject to some immense luck on their end, but still.

I personally almost stopped solo-raomign with the above build since
(a)It feels like a cheat at times, even more than my 80ish dps AM
(b)I cant find a fight, people do 180 degree turn when they see that sort of a chosen

P.S: There is a significant downside of this build tho if compared to, say, chad build - even 1v2s are a gamble at times (given that your opponents are 70+), and anything that is 1v3++ is almost a certain loss (unless they are of low RR).

Did you beat Feranno?