[Poll] Should solo players and organized groups be split in distinct scenario queues ?

[Endari]

Obviously solo and premades need to be separate if at all possible but I doubt with how small the pop is for most of the night it could be done without killing pops totally. Maybe a few changes to how discordants work would help?

Discordant sc's should be 1 map during the week and the event sc on the weekend. That 1 sc during the week needs to be a small map that quickly gets you into the action with little to no pve involved but still lets ranged players have fun too.

I don't que discordants because I will more often than not get huge maps with like 3 people, playing phoenix gate with 3 is just pain. Give me mourkain temple or gates of ekrund or caledor woods, maps all classes can be effective in and will end quickly in case you are getting smashed.

While we are at it speed up point gain so the sc ends even quicker during a total whooping for faster wins/losses and more sc pops with less surrenders. Its not losing that bothers me really its waiting 2+hours for a pop then getting smashed but having to wait 15 freaking minutes for that garbage to end.

[CountTalabecland]

There should be 2/2/2 matchmaking in all scenarios, maybe with an option for only 1 healer. There needs to be at least some healer before scen launches.

They should also give a display of how many are in Q and which archetype like the ranked scen dashboard does.

Having a message tell you when there is a shortage of healers preventing pops would be good too to encourage ppl to switch.

At any rate, pugs should never be forced to fight premades aka premades farming pugs for easy rewards.

[leondre25]

There already is a solo que and it seems to be mostly dead. Allow duos back in discordant and nothing else is needed. Discordant was working back when we had that. And from my experience there is no parity or increased quality of games in solo que either, one side will typically completely stomp the other.

most likely because most people click join all instead of specifically solo queue.

Imo remove all SC options besides three

Solo
Premade
Event(Some events can be solo. other can be premade enabled).

(maybe allow duos in solo. as long as players dont abuse it to sneak in premades it isnt too bad just having a friend with you. 2 out of 20 randoms wont make too much of a difference)

[kleinbuchstabe]

"Everytime when I que solo, i always loose because there are groups in the SC!"

- Dont que solo, build or join a group. Its small scale content for groups, not for solos, cause its an MMO.

"Ok, but then when i que solo...."

- DONT que solo. Join a group in lfg chat and que with a group, like you do for RVR.

"But... but... but when other people build a premade group and i que solo..."

- man wtf! dont que solo! you will loose vs. groups, you need to join a group by yourself!

"But its unfair when premades got 2-2-2 and solo quers dont have, we need better match making when i que solo!"

- if you dont que solo you can build/join/ be a part of a 2-2-2 group on your own!

"Ok, but for solo quers..."

- What part of "dont que solo" you didnt understand?

"YoU aRe A pRemaDe tRolL WhO EnjOyS tO StoMp PuGs!!!"




Find the error....

[Bozzax]

Even though the git guud fels like ghe right choice it is factually safe to say it has depleted the SC population to a point where there is hardly no one playing SC at all (just under geared rr40s that rage quit the server after being methodically stomped).

The players you used to see, yes solo ppl that liked SCs pretty much recognised each other by name and learned how to co op are now gone.

Not working just like pretending groups wants to fight groups is factually wrong

[Bozzax]

Low sc population and no pops is an effect of the implementation not the other way around

[leondre25]

"Everytime when I que solo, i always loose because there are groups in the SC!"

- Dont que solo, build or join a group. Its small scale content for groups, not for solos, cause its an MMO.

"Ok, but then when i que solo...."

- DONT que solo. Join a group in lfg chat and que with a group, like you do for RVR.

"But... but... but when other people build a premade group and i que solo..."

- man wtf! dont que solo! you will loose vs. groups, you need to join a group by yourself!

"But its unfair when premades got 2-2-2 and solo quers dont have, we need better match making when i que solo!"

- if you dont que solo you can build/join/ be a part of a 2-2-2 group on your own!

"Ok, but for solo quers..."

- What part of "dont que solo" you didnt understand?

"YoU aRe A pRemaDe tRolL WhO EnjOyS tO StoMp PuGs!!!"




Find the error....

The Problem with solo queue is. most people just click queue all for faster queue(Queue times are the most important thing to the average player). until they get swept into a few games with premades and they stop queueing and go back to blobbing in lakes.
they COULD made premades of their own. but SCs(atleast to me) are a low stress form of pvp, less blobbing, less coordination just a bit of casual fun for rewards after a long hard day of running around in lakes. im sure others would agree with me

the only option being premade yourself or dont queue wont solve anything. theres a reason why premade only queues were dead 24/7.
premades are not interested in fighting other premades otherwise ranked would still be alive.

if i can queue a mode and stomp newbies for rewards all day. best believe thats gonna be my option. unfortunately it has and will continue to demoralize new players and i dont see any solutions coming in the near future.
SC queue times will just get longer and longer as the fresh players realize theres no point queueing while premades are on the prowl.

(another option would be separating low RR and High RR. dont think ive ever seen a low RR premade group).

and like the filthy orc above mentioned. i much rather deal with coordinated randoms vs seal team 6 premades.
If its a group of random good players theres a bit of fun in that since theres no comms/strats/perfect team synergy setup.

[Pulptenks]

"Everytime when I que solo, i always loose because there are groups in the SC!"

- Dont que solo, build or join a group. Its small scale content for groups, not for solos, cause its an MMO.

"Ok, but then when i que solo...."

- DONT que solo. Join a group in lfg chat and que with a group, like you do for RVR.

"But... but... but when other people build a premade group and i que solo..."

- man wtf! dont que solo! you will loose vs. groups, you need to join a group by yourself!

"But its unfair when premades got 2-2-2 and solo quers dont have, we need better match making when i que solo!"

- if you dont que solo you can build/join/ be a part of a 2-2-2 group on your own!

"Ok, but for solo quers..."

- What part of "dont que solo" you didnt understand?

"YoU aRe A pRemaDe tRolL WhO EnjOyS tO StoMp PuGs!!!"




Find the error....

The Problem with solo queue is. most people just click queue all for faster queue(Queue times are the most important thing to the average player). until they get swept into a few games with premades and they stop queueing and go back to blobbing in lakes.
they COULD made premades of their own. but SCs(atleast to me) are a low stress form of pvp, less blobbing, less coordination just a bit of casual fun for rewards after a long hard day of running around in lakes. im sure others would agree with me

the only option being premade yourself or dont queue wont solve anything. theres a reason why premade only queues were dead 24/7.
premades are not interested in fighting other premades otherwise ranked would still be alive.

if i can queue a mode and stomp newbies for rewards all day. best believe thats gonna be my option. unfortunately it has and will continue to demoralize new players and i dont see any solutions coming in the near future.
SC queue times will just get longer and longer as the fresh players realize theres no point queueing while premades are on the prowl.

(another option would be separating low RR and High RR. dont think ive ever seen a low RR premade group).

and like the filthy orc above mentioned. i much rather deal with coordinated randoms vs seal team 6 premades.
If its a group of random good players theres a bit of fun in that since theres no comms/strats/perfect team synergy setup.

I don't agree with separating RR's, that would just thin up even further the odds further of getting a scenario match found to happen. There's a solution to that, and it's an easy one. At the end of the day it's an MMO RPG, playing optimal is what matter. Taking time to farm gold to be stronger is still a factor and core element to the game.

Vanquisher Ward has the means to fight Sovereign. It's difficult, but again, possible, even the player with Vanquisher can get paired with teammates in Sovereign. Best example: 2Hand Black Orc in sentinel / Dominator won't be providing as much as one with a SNB with Sentinel / Conqueror.

Choices is matter too from the player's end. We can suggest and attempt to come up with ideas / discussion to voice the game's staff some issues with the Scenario situation. Still remains that the player's still got their part of their own virtual life responsibility as well.

Premade solution already exist. It's called ranked. (Like seriously, we all play a PvP game but we're afraid to try fight each other in a premade scenario? Why not trying instead farming 10k Warcrest per character for a replica.) . Scenario should just be solo and it would fix most of the issue. Yes there still will be losing / stomping matches. But in long term it would probably solve the participation and make it more bearable.

[Alubert]

Before anyone tries to do anything about matchmaking (what Magusar wrote is the most reasonable) two things should be done as soon as possible:
1. remove all barrieres (add champs if necessary), make it possible in any sc to return to warcamp (or increase range and number of champs if technically impossible).

Because nothing discourages players as much as being cruelly farmed for the whole sc without the possibility to return to wc.
Note how there is an event sc with normal wc with no barriers. Like a week ago where maybe only one sc out of 10 ended with the surrender option. When prem can't farm pug with impunity the game looks completely different.

2 Player education.
Every step of the way, everyone should try to share knowledge with others (I know it often hits a void but it can improve the quality of the sc game).
The most common mistakes I see in sc which is already a loser at the beginning:
A. If you are not in prem try to assemble the most optimal group composition. Change the group or make room in yours so that a particular archetype can fill it.
B. Never enter aoe spec on sc. The biggest mistake you can make. Sometimes aoe works in sc but if you enter as 6man, never if you are solo.
C. Don't run solo into the back of the enemy. Witch Elf and WH is a regular mdps not a solo player.
D. As a tank you are useless if you have no punt tactic except IB/BG.
D. Assists, CC, guards are obvious things ect.

[Mayombe]

Yes, of course, solo players vs. solo players and pre-made vs. pre-made are the right choices. Everything else is too reminiscent of WoW.