Alubert wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2026 5:46 pm
No, that’s not true. Since the new matchmaking was introduced, prem teams aren’t as powerful as they used to be. In 95% of cases, you get very balanced team compositions. I’ve seen many times how a well-balanced and skilled pug team beats a full 6-man team.
Of course, there are sometimes groups on Discord, but they don’t have the same influence as they used to.
The problem usually lies in the players’ lack of knowledge.
In the case of Order, a common and egregious mistake is that a large number of players (who likely play WB daily and have no idea what the more advanced SC gameplay entails) jump into SC with a useless AoE spec. I don’t know why, but on Destro, far fewer players make this mistake (of course, there are still some “monster Mara” or “free-immun GTDC choppas,” but there are definitely fewer of them).
Many don’t assist each other. WH/WE try to play as if they were in a solo ORVR, and instead of playing like regular DPS, they try to attack solo on their own. People often hit the wrong targets. They give away free immunities (AoE pulls / AoE punts). They have bad builds. Tanks try to run around the enemy backline on their own instead of protecting their DPS, etc.
Sometimes, a single good player can tip the scales of victory in one side’s favor.
If many of these mistakes are made in every match and the other side doesn’t make them, you can end up losing 30 matches in a row.
It’s all the fault of the players in the queue.
To me, it’s normal for the better players to beat the worse ones. It would be strange if it were any other way.
To be honest not much changed directly in how fights go, its just there are lesser instances where it puts full group against random people who were in q mixing them up without any preset rules. You could beat most common groups in SCs even without MM before and able to do so now.
People use a word "premade" completely wrong, even i got tired to point it out in each thread that what most newcomers encounter in their SCs are not premades, those are just regular groups. Premade is a proper, coordinated, preformed team where roles, builds are all talked thru and everything is fully optimized beforehand. Group is what you get from "/5 rr80 choppa lfg event sc" or "/a/g anyone for scs?".
Premades are 6v6 material, thats what you wont anyhow beat being a pug and mostly likely as a group too (but some group may have some chances against some premades) if you happen to get against such team in regular SCs. Groups are regular casual lads who just having fun together and those are beatable if you happen to roll in your SC some decent players in proper builds who knows how to fight.
With the rest i fully agree, thanks for taking your time and mentioning few more typical newcomers "playstyles" that makes eyes bleed of regular player who happen to see e.g. SnB kotbs in SC who goes in first just to grant as many free immunities as possible with Heaven's Fury right upon engage. Or AoE bomb specced BWs who go in alone, stand on flag to start casting annihilation just to be annihilated themselves... List is literally eternal.
