I dont wanna be rude but... what?!

[kleinbuchstabe]

Basically thats what i trying to not to do - leave. I mean I enjoy the gameplay so much but game just doesnt want me to play it.

If you enjoy the gameplay of scenario basicly, then you realy should look for a group, or even better, for a guild with focus on Scenarios. The real gameplay (and fun) potential of scenarios unfolds with players that you know, cause it will lead to a coordinated gameplay. For now, dont get frustrated. Get a group/guild and improve your skill, and your SC experience will turn out for the better

[Rapzel]

Basically thats what i trying to not to do - leave. I mean I enjoy the gameplay so much but game just doesnt want me to play it.

If you enjoy the gameplay of scenario basicly, then you realy should look for a group, or even better, for a guild with focus on Scenarios. The real gameplay (and fun) potential of scenarios unfolds with players that you know, cause it will lead to a coordinated gameplay. For now, dont get frustrated. Get a group/guild and improve your skill, and your SC experience will turn out for the better

Should they really? Recent SC changes made it in to the solo circus. The wait time for a 6 man is much longer than solo atm.

[kleinbuchstabe]

Ofc he/they should.
1. its not only solo que or 6man que, there are 2-5 player groups in between wich work very good, pop wise and gameplay wise.
2. As bigger the amount of people queueing in groups, as better is the pop rate, and probably the quality of fights too.
3. As mentioned before, group play is the basis of having fun in Scenarios (imo), and it will increase his chances to win.

i will always encourage people to play scenarios in groups instead of queue solo

[Alubert]

No, that’s not true. Since the new matchmaking was introduced, prem teams aren’t as powerful as they used to be. In 95% of cases, you get very balanced team compositions. I’ve seen many times how a well-balanced and skilled pug team beats a full 6-man team.
Of course, there are sometimes groups on Discord, but they don’t have the same influence as they used to.
The problem usually lies in the players’ lack of knowledge.
In the case of Order, a common and egregious mistake is that a large number of players (who likely play WB daily and have no idea what the more advanced SC gameplay entails) jump into SC with a useless AoE spec. I don’t know why, but on Destro, far fewer players make this mistake (of course, there are still some “monster Mara” or “free-immun GTDC choppas,” but there are definitely fewer of them).
Many don’t assist each other. WH/WE try to play as if they were in a solo ORVR, and instead of playing like regular DPS, they try to attack solo on their own. People often hit the wrong targets. They give away free immunities (AoE pulls / AoE punts). They have bad builds. Tanks try to run around the enemy backline on their own instead of protecting their DPS, etc.
Sometimes, a single good player can tip the scales of victory in one side’s favor.

If many of these mistakes are made in every match and the other side doesn’t make them, you can end up losing 30 matches in a row.
It’s all the fault of the players in the queue.
To me, it’s normal for the better players to beat the worse ones. It would be strange if it were any other way.

[Brighteluden]

This is the problem i've experienced when doing T3 scenario's which again a lot of new players may have issues and just flat out quit, so yes there are tons more order premades in scenario's in the T3 bracket especially during NA primetime and to top it off engineers are crazy overpowered in Tier 3, so order teams will stack warpriest and mid level engineers and essentially roll the opposing team easily ontop of being in a premade.

I've definitely experienced this and it can be demoralizing if you're a new player playing destro, this somewhat equalizes in T4 though, where scenarios are more back and forth since engineers' kind of take a back seat and bright wizards/shadow warriors now dominate more on order side in terms of range. I've had the same experience 10+ scenario losses and usually the teams are composed as I said engineers and warpriests, they just stagger their CC, end up doing crazy amounts of AoE damage while having reliable burst, honestly, it's not surprising seeing 4 engies on teams on order side, with that said in T4 again it's different, so that's my 2 cents. So, if you're on destruction side and dealing with this issue, it's not uncommon for these team comps to steam roll you in T3, I feel like peeps on order side just roll engineers when they get upset and play them in T3 out of spite lol.

[gisborne]

usually the teams are composed as I said engineers and warpriests, they just stagger their CC, end up doing crazy amounts of AoE damage while having reliable burst

What? Warrior priests doing crazy CC and AE damage since when?

Engineer CC? You mean like 3s stagger, worse than knights and chosen have? Engineers with no silence, no ranged knockdown, no heal debuff? Engineer whose AE damage is composed of DoTs which are easy to group heal through? That engineer?

I've officially heard it all. Fear the engineer and warrior priest, bane of scenarios!

[nocturnalguest]

No, that’s not true. Since the new matchmaking was introduced, prem teams aren’t as powerful as they used to be. In 95% of cases, you get very balanced team compositions. I’ve seen many times how a well-balanced and skilled pug team beats a full 6-man team.
Of course, there are sometimes groups on Discord, but they don’t have the same influence as they used to.
The problem usually lies in the players’ lack of knowledge.
In the case of Order, a common and egregious mistake is that a large number of players (who likely play WB daily and have no idea what the more advanced SC gameplay entails) jump into SC with a useless AoE spec. I don’t know why, but on Destro, far fewer players make this mistake (of course, there are still some “monster Mara” or “free-immun GTDC choppas,” but there are definitely fewer of them).
Many don’t assist each other. WH/WE try to play as if they were in a solo ORVR, and instead of playing like regular DPS, they try to attack solo on their own. People often hit the wrong targets. They give away free immunities (AoE pulls / AoE punts). They have bad builds. Tanks try to run around the enemy backline on their own instead of protecting their DPS, etc.
Sometimes, a single good player can tip the scales of victory in one side’s favor.

If many of these mistakes are made in every match and the other side doesn’t make them, you can end up losing 30 matches in a row.
It’s all the fault of the players in the queue.
To me, it’s normal for the better players to beat the worse ones. It would be strange if it were any other way.

To be honest not much changed directly in how fights go, its just there are lesser instances where it puts full group against random people who were in q mixing them up without any preset rules. You could beat most common groups in SCs even without MM before and able to do so now.

People use a word "premade" completely wrong, even i got tired to point it out in each thread that what most newcomers encounter in their SCs are not premades, those are just regular groups. Premade is a proper, coordinated, preformed team where roles, builds are all talked thru and everything is fully optimized beforehand. Group is what you get from "/5 rr80 choppa lfg event sc" or "/a/g anyone for scs?".

Premades are 6v6 material, thats what you wont anyhow beat being a pug and mostly likely as a group too (but some group may have some chances against some premades) if you happen to get against such team in regular SCs. Groups are regular casual lads who just having fun together and those are beatable if you happen to roll in your SC some decent players in proper builds who knows how to fight.

With the rest i fully agree, thanks for taking your time and mentioning few more typical newcomers "playstyles" that makes eyes bleed of regular player who happen to see e.g. SnB kotbs in SC who goes in first just to grant as many free immunities as possible with Heaven's Fury right upon engage. Or AoE bomb specced BWs who go in alone, stand on flag to start casting annihilation just to be annihilated themselves... List is literally eternal.

[gisborne]

Tanks try to run around the enemy backline on their own instead of protecting their DPS, etc.

That's definitely me. Why protect a DPS though who is just hitting the tanks? I charge in and attack the back line, like my DPS should be doing. If they aren't with me, that's their problem. Maybe you disagree.

[nocturnalguest]

Tanks try to run around the enemy backline on their own instead of protecting their DPS, etc.

That's definitely me. Why protect a DPS though who is just hitting the tanks? I charge in and attack the back line, like my DPS should be doing. If they aren't with me, that's their problem. Maybe you disagree.

Thats a mistake of picking wrong targets. Yours as well. You will do nothing as a tank on backline, like really nothing. And no, your DPS shouldnt go on backlines at engage, thats a mistake as well.

First pick is weakest DPS. How to define weakest? First you look into its positioning and if it has a guard or not. If DPS is out of position and unguarded that what you kill first. If everythings guarded and you play e.g. 2 groups vs 2 groups then you pick what you will put most pressure on, usually thats the skillest and highest DPS but then you keep it focused you look for oportunities to open up on another target and force enemy to make some mistakes or catch their tanks (they could be sleeping).

Never go into backlines straight away either as DPS or tank, you ruin your own team formation.

To score a kill in proper organised gameplay you will need to silence+CC enemy healers, disengage a focused target with guard by a punt on guarding tank, prevent focused target to press detaunt by focusing it fast and applying your KD at the very proper moment to create a surprise moment, you also need to prevent a guard swap from another tank so you either punt it too at the very same moment with other tank or KD it. All this have to be done SIMULTANIOUSLY cause if you wont manage to then you will have no impact and everyone from enemy team will react, detaunt, apply burst heal/cleanse, guard swap, change position etc.
And even thats not all, you have to lure your target making all the rotations quick as they will track focus and if focused heavily they will peel out and use their movement to pick a position where your DPS will struggle to hit it openly. They will keep track of IHD, every buff/debuff you apply will tell your enemy what you about to do.

And there goes the skills we talk about. I will see on my tank what enemy is trying to kill. Then enemy tank will go for me i will turn to parry the punt. This action alone may decline a proper go from enemy team. If i will not parry i will swap guard midair to another DPS so then i land i will have spare GCDs. Other tank will have immunity mark tracked on me, so the very mere milisecond im away (telling it in discord obviously), my other friend will swap. And you wont get your kill.

But! If i f**k up and you wont* (and i obviously do so), only then you will have your kill.

* your healers will CC other healers, your DPS will not just braindead ungabunga random stuff but(!) apply their PROPER skills for that exact 2 seconds open window time (not just random general crap someone calls "rotation" that you may look up here on forums) assuming you have caught focused target unaware so it didnt detaunt before your team apply KD

So people get offended then they get replies like "skill issues" in their threads. Because yes, everyone understands, its very frustrating and emotions and all. But its indeed "skill issues" for each and every regulary popping things of how WE needs to be nerfed. Be it premades vs pugs discussion, class balance, whatever.
Also no, people (even those who post oneliners) are not meaning any harm, they just state simple facts. "Get group" is also considered as totally toxic advice here, but there is nothing better you can do then to actually join a proper group and learn how proper groups play.

upd:
Also, then you see a group of players that go thru your own team without any issues and kill everything even if its guarded, healed etc - this is what proper assisting and proper skilled GCD management looks like, then people properly stack up their dmg, then there is no fluff crap, then their dmg is connected in best possible way. Its nothing OP, its just skill, what button to press in that exact moment knowing that you are assisted with this class, that you know are specced this way and you synergies with that class well because XYZ.

[leftside]

Tanks try to run around the enemy backline on their own instead of protecting their DPS, etc.

That's definitely me. Why protect a DPS though who is just hitting the tanks? I charge in and attack the back line, like my DPS should be doing. If they aren't with me, that's their problem. Maybe you disagree.

This guide is evergreen:
https://youtu.be/ZQzB0HDstLY