The Destro Attitude

[Vigfuss]

I also think that to many people (self included) a successful siege is not really a win at all. Instead it's about how we played, and who or how many we played against.

[Razid1987]

@AZ

I can't believe out of all that, you pull out I want to play musical keeps. It's clear I believe Destro needs some wins in the ORVR column. It's clear that, at least the times I play, that is not going to happen. So I ask you,. WTF is the difference between Order taking empty keeps, zone after zone, in the current system and destro and order taking empty keeps in the old system? If opening up one zone will allow for Destro to rebuild the ORVR WBs (yes at one point we had PuG warbands - I lead more than a few) who would take keeps (sometimes lightly defended, sometimes not at all) and sometimes FIGHT Order at BOs and Keeps. Now, no one is fighting except the forums PvP groups.

This is pretty much the point I raised, as well. There is no difference, except that right now, only one faction is getting a piece of the cake.

[Arslan]

Implement the zone flips with these huge rewards everyone loved, requiring skirmish, keeps, bos and maybe scens.
Implement bigger def ticks.
Implement oil so the underdog can get some kills in keep defences.
It is sooo simple.

I remember so many fights back in the old system just because one faction was trying to flip a zone, while the other faction tried to stop them.

AAO is a must. About these elitists...They are ALL sorc aoe groups. All of them. So the problem is in the class's mechanic that allows so many easy kills and the fact they do not want to share the rewards from these kills (and why should they). Fixing the LOS is a huge step. Giving the ability to fix wb's, kick leeching lvl 2-10, manage groups and make them more effective is another huge step. If your dps knows he is guarded and a healer to support him will attack these aoe spam premades with more decisiveness and efficiency. It is actually the doubt about what your pug groupmates will do when they see these ice spikes and the chosens/sorcs pushign towards you destroying everything is seconds: Attack them as one and focus these sorcs, or run backwards so we are closer to our healers? While the pug thinks that, the coordinated spam group just kills them.

Very often back on live, people took empty keeps as well. But most of the time, wb's collided in epic fights that lasted for hours. Because everyone wanted the sweet flip. Everyone. Even if they did not manage to flip, the rewards from kills with AAO were even more than the flip itself. Look the rewards in this ss and you will get my point. If fighting gives so many rewards, who would ever think to just go and take empty keeps when he can speed up his lvl'ing and have fun doing orvr and maybe scens??

Edit: Also: Give some reward even to the losing faction after the flip. They fought and this should not be ignored, like in current system. I got nice nownz in this one for example.

[Izazera]

Hmmm on 30.09.2015 when Krumlok organized the Green Tide all Order vanished and switched to Destro all "Da Pro Players We Do Only 6 Man Thing" joined us. After like 2 hours of zerging the order got organized by a dwarf guild that I don't remember the name now(sorry bout that) the fight was huge and long and in the end we won. The server was lagging very bad from all the players at one spot and it was awesome. But why the "Pride Order" players switched to Destro for 2 hours why the ppl I asked to join us so many times who told me "Please I join only serious wbs" joined us ? Cuz the whole community only cares about getting the win and look cool so no its not the Destro mentality its the mentality of the whole community!!!

[Razid1987]

It is sooo simple.

Okay, Einstein. Good thing we have you here to tell us how easy it all is to fix.

Btw, your oil suggestion works both ways. It works against the underdog when they try to take keeps.

Duh....

AAO is a must. About these elitists...They are ALL sorc aoe groups. All of them.

Good thing that you are not being over-generalizing.

Stopped reading after that. Too much bs.

[Arslan]

It is sooo simple.

Okay, Einstein. Good thing we have you here to tell us how easy it all is to fix.

Btw, your oil suggestion works both ways. It works against the underdog when they try to take keeps.

Duh....

AAO is a must. About these elitists...They are ALL sorc aoe groups. All of them.

Good thing that you are not being over-generalizing.

Stopped reading after that. Too much bs.

Welll I just reminded what was the motive in live to make people fight. The differences are not that many. On the other hand they are important.

Tell me a premade that can defend a keep by itself and does not have at least 2 sorcs in it. This is the elitists I am talking about and I can name them: Frad-Issa, Viscerin-Suzu, Xiuxiu-Gloom and sometimes this Dissociation. And ofc do not forget Pacpacpac (Pacdva)-Pwndsr (or something like that). Guess what...both sorcs.
Can you name some others that do nto have sorcs in them? Please do so or stop the bs. Small mind detected.

Furthermore, I have not seen you in orvr or scens for like weeks, so i doubt you can actually judge and have opinion on the current gameplay. I think I also saw you get kicked by a guild I was in because you had not log in for months...

[Razid1987]

Welll I just reminded what was the motive in live to make people fight. The differences are not that many. On the other hand they are important.

Great that you figured it all out. Why don't you make your own war server? Obviously it's going to be perfect, by the sound of it.

Tell me a premade that can defend a keep by itself and does not have at least 2 sorcs in it. This is the elitists I am talking about and I can name them: Frad-Issa, Viscerin-Suzu, Xiuxiu-Gloom and sometimes this Dissociation.
Can you name some others that do nto have sorcs in them? Please do so or stop the bs. Small mind detected.

If you had read anything I've said about BWs/Sorcs, then you would also know that I want both classes nerfed, as well as Knights/Chosens and Choppas/Slayers. The remaining DPS should also possibly be buffed on top of that. And yes, clearly I am the one with a small mind: *Looks at the statement how fixing this problem is "soooo simple"*

Furthermore, I have not seen you in orvr or scens for like weeks, so i doubt you can actually judge and have opinion on the current gameplay. I think I also saw you get kicked by a guild I was in because you had not log in for months...

Grats. You made an observation that wasn't incorrect for once. You're absolutely right. I have been leveling with friends the last 2 weeks, since I rerolled to Destro. I have my finger on the pulse. You can think what you want. Just know that you have no idea what you are talking about on the subject.

You get kicked FROM a guild, not BY a guild. And did you now? Amazing. Did that happen to be SoD like 4 months ago, because I was taking a break and Phantom was cleaning up the guild, by any chance? I guess it kinda has to be, because that's the only time I have been kicked from a guild in WAR. And even if it's true, so f***ing what? What does that have to do with anything? I came back to the game almost 2 months ago, and played Order for weeks, before rerolling Destro.
That's the most random and nonsensical argument I've ever read on these forums (And that's saying a lot!).

[Arslan]

At least I hope that they bring the old ORvR system we had in live like it was. This is what made WAR the best ORvR MMO. Not the systems everyone is suggesting here.
I also hope to find you somewhere and give you a lesson, my dear forum warrior. Fraps will be active. But as I said, you are nowhere.

[Razid1987]

I also hope to find you somewhere and give you a lesson, my dear forum warrior. Fraps will be active. But as I said, you are nowhere.

Give me a lesson? In what exactly? Logic? Making good arguments? A lesson you could use yourself, that's for sure.

Oh noes! Not Fraps! That's my only weakness!

[Arslan]

I also hope to find you somewhere and give you a lesson, my dear forum warrior. Fraps will be active. But as I said, you are nowhere.

Give me a lesson? In what exactly? Logic? Making good arguements? A lesson you could use yourself, that's for sure.

Oh noes! Not Fraps! That's my only weakness!

No my arguments are made above. "Make WAR ORvR as it was on live (flips with VP's). It was what made WAR best ORvR MMO." Then I mentioned the differences current system has (or some of them). Then I said it is simple. Not to make, since I know nothing of programming and the devs have a lot of work already. But the concept of what has to be done is simple.

No I want to gain some nowns from your ironic ego. Is that so bad?