The Destro Attitude

[Mez]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sick of hearing about the ORvR situation and if it comes to you saying outright "We don't want to fight, we want to trade keeps" that's absolutely fine, because keep trading and zerg PvP are equally boring. Just let's be clear about what you want.

I want to be 100% clear about this. I want keep trading back.

Sorry the beauty of massive RvR keep siege and defense doesn't exist 24/7 on the server, but that's reality. Forcing a losing side to punch in and defend losing keeps 3x an hour is what kills RvR. It's not fun as a losing realm to continuously get into losing keep after losing keep. So they log. So you would rather 1 realm take empty keeps, than 2 realms.

At least in the old system, the losing side had something to do in game, until the balance of power became a little more fair. Yes pvp went down eventually and it was more epic and memorable because it wasn't forced or thrust upon you. THE only big keep fights that happen now, would STILL HAVE HAPPENED in the old system. At least in the old system, there was people ONLINE to be around for the balance shift back to destro. It happened faster, and more often.

Ammiright, or, and I just an elitist conservationist who wants his game back?

[Razid1987]

No my arguments are made above. "Make WAR ORvR as it was on live (flips with VP's). It was what made WAR best ORvR MMO." Then I mentioned the differences current system has (or some of them). Then I said it is simple. Not to make, since I know nothing of programming and the devs have a lot of work already. But the concept of what has to be done is simple.

You're just making an argument from personal opinion, nothing else. You're basically just saying "Do this, because I think it's best". You're not making an actual argument. You don't come with any reasons, or even listen or consider other possiblities, or suggestions. You just have the arrogance to assume that your own suggestion is perfect. You won't listen to anyone.

I want cookies.... Because reasons!

No I want to gain some nowns from your ironic ego. Is that so bad?

I'm sorry, were you talking to me? Oh, you were. Should I care about this? Nah, I'm not going to.

Also, a little heads up: Will probably be like a week or a little more before you will see me, since I'm limited to leveling when my friend has time, so yeah. It's a slow progress. Hold on to your record button, though!

[jbrutal]

Sounds like premade guilds want more free **** ez mode loot,btw you cant orvr zergs no games has done it.

[Ragink]

In what manner did I suggest anyone be forced to play in the way I dictate?

Considering the fact that you are complaining directly at the people who don't want to WB up, implies to me that you want others to play the game in your fashion.

Have no idea WTF point you were trying to make in those last poorly written sentences. Play as you like or uninstall, just be aware that only playing as a 6-man, you'd be a lot better off in ORVR if there was a warband taking stuff.

First off, I'm sure there are lots of things that would allow us to be "better off" in oRvR, but that's completely besides the point. And thanks for the advice, I will go ahead and play the game how I want to.

I didn't realize those sentences are so hard for you to comprehend. I also didn't realize you were taking offense to my post... Anyways, let me reiterate for you. We dun like ta WB up, you complaininz abouts us nots warbandin' dun resolve nuffin'. Iz explainzin ifz i hadz one choice and dat wuz tew zerg 'em ups I wuldz quitz games ya'z knows? Nowz youz havez lezz peoplez to fightz orderz, issuez now becomez morez prevelant den beforez. Youz actz like der' certains ways tu playz gamez and dat be tu warbandz for da realmz. Wez disagreez an' playz how we'z likez tu becuz youz arnz da biggesboss.

Basically, was your rant intended to change the mind of those said 6 mans and unify all of destro even after we explained why we aren't down to WB up? Or was this just a general rant to spill knowledge on the forums and basically change nothing in the end at all? I'm just slightly confused as to what you are trying to accomplish here. Thanks for keeping this professional and humble.

P.S. I read your post.

[Luuca]

Sounds like premade guilds want more free **** ez mode loot,btw you cant orvr zergs no games has done it.

Sounds like you didn't bother to read the post or the replies. That or you have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old.

The point is that ORVR sucks for both realms right now and somethibg needs to be done.

[Twyxx]

oRvR also sucks when certain groups log their Order accounts to watch Advice channel then feed said chat to their group...

...but that's none of my business.
I digress.

[Azuzu]

oRvR also sucks when certain groups log their Order accounts to watch Advice channel then feed said chat to their group...

...but that's none of my business.
I digress.

I take full ownership of this. Someone in our group was doing that tonight, which I think is a douche move.

I 100% don't agree with that, quite frankly I think it take a lot of the fun and the point of oRvR out of the game. I told him to stop almost as soon as he started. That **** will never happen again.

[Ragink]

oRvR also sucks when certain groups log their Order accounts to watch Advice channel then feed said chat to their group...

...but that's none of my business.
I digress.

I take full ownership of this. Someone in our group was doing that tonight, which I think is a douche move.

I 100% don't agree with that, quite frankly I think it take a lot of the fun and the point of oRvR out of the game. I told him to stop almost as soon as he started. That **** will never happen again.

I agree, it was foul play. Later on we forced him to play WoW for a solid 30 minutes as punishment.

[Gigawattz01]

A lot of it comes down to the following: Facing a zerg that outnumbers yours greatly isn't fun, so people just say "Screw it". That's the big issue here. ORvR isn't fun to even attempt by a group that has systemically become the losing force, especially when its ONE night of victory is met with punishment. (YES, there were circumstances to that, but that doesn't change the message that was sent to Destro players) In short, Destro is practically being fed the idea it's meant to lose and nothing is being put in place to prevent or balance this. It's more... lucrative (?) to roll Order and forget that Destro is yet a whole set of players that are just as invested in the game as Order are, only *perhaps* more so for actually trying to maintain Destro through what is undoubtedly a dry, failing, rough period where Destro is truly on the short end of the stick.

To put in blunt and plainly, the current state of the game makes it NOT FUN to be Destro in ORvR.

[Coryphaus]

Ordos getting a lot of rr for these pve keep flips, to say their not achieving something when a lot of them are rr40 so quickly after the raise from 30

While destro needs to grind out in scs