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Re: festering IB's

Post#91 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:25 pm

Penril wrote:
wut
Meh, meant to say, wp/dok cleanse and hot your entire group, while am/shammie does it for single.

They can just press the keybind for heal and cleanse on cd without any care.

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Re: festering IB's

Post#92 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:26 pm

That's probably because Cleansing Power and Efficient Patching's combined failure to increase the RF / SE cost for the group cleanse from the ridiculously cheap 25 is one of the biggest jokes I've ever seen.

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Re: festering IB's

Post#93 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:28 pm

bloodi wrote:
Penril wrote:
wut
Meh, meant to say, wp/dok cleanse and hot your entire group, while am/shammie does it for single.

They can just press the keybind for heal and cleanse on cd without any care.
If AM/Sham are ST heals, doesnt it make more sense for them to be able to cleanse BWs/Sorcs while Dok/WP cant?

Here is a question: Name the hardest-hitting DoTs in the game, and name the ST healers that can't cleanse those DoTs.

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Re: festering IB's

Post#94 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:41 pm

Azarael wrote:
SilverWF wrote:Magus/Engi - Engi>Magus, because of AA, AOE heal. Also, I didn't get about 3rd tree of Engi - he said "St" what does it mean? Strengh? Oh God, if yes I'll piss my pants off ><
Magus > Engi, because of resistance-based damagetypes.
Not sir.
Resistance base - OK, but tooltip damage is low. Also, there is no anything like mages +35% crit.rate +100% crit.damage
Engi has M2
Engi has AA and tactic for AA speed increase
Engi has +15% crit.rate tactic near turret. Means: crit for everything (not like Maguses special trees crit tactics) and heal crit included - pretty useful for his healing keg
Stick 5 Engi kegs close to each other and get God Mode Area
Also, maybe someone said it's funny, but in real battle it really hard to target 1st small dwarf than so tall magus

All of this one can know if really played this classes.
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Re: festering IB's

Post#95 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:43 pm

Penril wrote:If AM/Sham are ST heals, doesnt it make more sense for them to be able to cleanse BWs/Sorcs while Dok/WP cant?

Here is a question: Name the hardest-hitting DoTs in the game, and name the ST healers that can't cleanse those DoTs.
No it doesnt,
The issue is still the same, Dok/wp cleanse entire groups on the same time with the same cd, same with the hot.

Making AM/shammie the only ones able to cleanse the biggest dots will not solve their issues, will just make the classes that runs those dots stronger.

Its ok for each healer to cleanse a type or two, its not ok for a healer to cleanse groups in 5 secs cd while the others do it for single target on the same cd.

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Re: festering IB's

Post#96 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:44 pm

bloodi wrote:
Penril wrote:If AM/Sham are ST heals, doesnt it make more sense for them to be able to cleanse BWs/Sorcs while Dok/WP cant?

Here is a question: Name the hardest-hitting DoTs in the game, and name the ST healers that can't cleanse those DoTs.
No it doesnt,
The issue is still the same, Dok/wp cleanse entire groups on the same time with the same cd, same with the hot.

Making AM/shammie the only ones able to cleanse the biggest dots will not solve their issues, will just make the classes that runs those dots stronger.

Its ok for each healer to cleanse a type or two, its not ok for a healer to cleanse groups in 5 secs cd while the others do it for single target on the same cd.
Ok. Then change group cleanse. I can get on board with that too. Do you have any suggestions? It will be a indirect buff to Magus/Engie too.

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Re: festering IB's

Post#97 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:47 pm

Penril wrote:Ok. Then change group cleanse. I can get on board with that too. Do you have any suggestions?
Same treatment as enchanted arrows, nerf cleansing power/efficient patching into oblivion.

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Post#98 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:51 pm

bloodi wrote:
Penril wrote:Ok. Then change group cleanse. I can get on board with that too. Do you have any suggestions?
Same treatment as enchanted arrows, nerf cleansing power/efficient patching into oblivion.
Maybe instead of cleansing 1 effect from the whole group, it now cleanses 2 effects from one target?

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Re: festering IB's

Post#99 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:59 pm

Penril wrote:Maybe instead of cleansing 1 effect from the whole group, it now cleanses 2 effects from one target?
Or maybe it gives cleansed targets an insane 534 heal over 9 seconds.

I may feel extra generous and put a humongous 175 health shield for 10 seconds on top of it.

Or hell, just break the tactic and forget to fix it, forever.

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Re: festering IB's

Post#100 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:09 pm

Just realised I can't change the RF cost at the moment, so all that can be done is increasing the CD or changing the mechanics.

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