Destro are OP

[Shutyergob]

It's just about the looks, Destruction classes look better, but Order has stronger classes.
Archmages are the same as Shamans.
Bright Wizards are more powerful that Sorcerers. Don't forget about cauterize.
Engineers are more powerful than Maguses. They are ranged attackers not casters.
Iron Breakers are the same as Black Guards.
KOtBS'es are more powerful than Chosens. Look at their path trees and abilities to understand.
Runepriests are the same as Zealots.
Shadow Warriors and Marauders. Hard to compare, but SW's deal more damage and are a really strong ranged class.
Slayer is stronger than Choppa. Look at path trees.
Sword Masters are a bit better than Black Orcs.
Warrior priests are a bit weaker than DoK's, but they have interesting debuffs.
White Lions are better than Herders.
WH's are almost the same as WE's.

Right. I'd say you're spot on with every one of your comparisons.

[Toldavf]

It's just about the looks, Destruction classes look better, but Order has stronger classes.
Archmages are the same as Shamans.
Bright Wizards are more powerful that Sorcerers. Don't forget about cauterize.
Engineers are more powerful than Maguses. They are ranged attackers not casters.
Iron Breakers are the same as Black Guards.
KOtBS'es are more powerful than Chosens. Look at their path trees and abilities to understand.
Runepriests are the same as Zealots.
Shadow Warriors and Marauders. Hard to compare, but SW's deal more damage and are a really strong ranged class.
Slayer is stronger than Choppa. Look at path trees.
Sword Masters are a bit better than Black Orcs.
Warrior priests are a bit weaker than DoK's, but they have interesting debuffs.
White Lions are better than Herders.
WH's are almost the same as WE's.

A few things
Archmages are better than shamans at dps. The only thing a sham really has over am is his speed proc and toughness hot.
It is generally held that BW have more aoe and cc than a sorc. Sorcs remain a powerful single target dps.
Not touching engie and magus.
1 tank has good trees the other has trees with abilities at the wrong levels. Otherwise 2 tanks that have a very balanced power level
Knights are the strongest tank in game followed closely by chosen. They probably wont keep their relative strength forever though.
No SW should ever out dps a mara in a group fight. SW have less single target dps than maras.
Yes slayer is better than chopper. Choppers have been pointing this out since forever, however choppers remain anything but bad.
SM and BO are a bug bear atm because of one shared ability their damage is insane.
You have it right about doks and wp.
Mdps and Rdps don't compare well
I find we better in group play than wh.

[Bretin]

since when do we compare sw with mrd and wl with squigs? if i am up2date wl is the mirror class of choppa bc some were asking to mirror pounce to the choppa. now i am confused

[Penril]

BW is Magus mirror

[Shadowgurke]

since when do we compare sw with mrd and wl with squigs? if i am up2date wl is the mirror class of choppa bc some were asking to mirror pounce to the choppa. now i am confused

Because obviously SW and marauder share stances. And SH + WL have pets. It's obviously more benefitial to compare them by their mechanic than by their abilities, role and archetype

[Annaise16]

y thats 5.6k crit no 9k like u wrote where is the one shoot ? and that with double dmg morale so what i sad u rly talk **** ;D

so the standart crit its about 2.8 k ? wow what a one shot .
and these video get an UPLOAD about a amazing 5.6k CRIT and u rly think u can do 9 k ?

9k crits happened. It required offensive warpforged gear and a high damage bonus.

FA base value ~ 830 (depending on mastery points in Scout)
Add damage bonus of 330 times multiplier of 3 = 830 + 990 = 1820.

Assuming target has a toughness of less than 100 due to debuff or SH/choppa tactic, mit by toughness would be less than 60. So let FA hit for 1820-50 = 1770.

multiply by max crit bonus of 1.98 = 1770 x 1.98 = 3504. (98% crit bonus comes from max base value of 60% + 38% from offensive warpforged gear.)

Multiply by 4% lotd jewellery bonus, 25% VoN, and 100% m2 = 3504 x 1.04 x 1.25 x 2 = 9111.

330 was a fairly large damage bonus, but it was certainly attainable for any rr100 who wanted to spec for it. Debuffs would have had toons commonly below 100 toughness, so that was no bar to 9k crits. There was no mit by resistance due to the Enchanted Arrows tactic.


Edit: I don't recall if FA had a damage contribution from the weapon dps value. From memory, I don't think it did because it was corporeal damage. If weapon dps did contribute damage, you can add another 121 x 3 x 1.98 x 1.04 x 1.25 x 2 = 1869 points of damage to the 9k value to get a total of almost 11k. I don't recall seeing anyone mention an 11k FA, so that's another reason why I don't think weapon dps contributed to FA damage.

[Penril]

Add the Daemonic Gifts of Khorne Essence of Frenzy for 80% extra damage. All rDPS classes wanted to get that item. That item alone made 12k Festerbombs not that uncommon.

[Scrilian]

It's just about the looks, Destruction classes look better, but Order has stronger classes.
Archmages are the same as Shamans.
Bright Wizards are more powerful that Sorcerers. Don't forget about cauterize.
Engineers are more powerful than Maguses. They are ranged attackers not casters.
Iron Breakers are the same as Black Guards.
KOtBS'es are more powerful than Chosens. Look at their path trees and abilities to understand.
Runepriests are the same as Zealots.
Shadow Warriors and Marauders. Hard to compare, but SW's deal more damage and are a really strong ranged class.
Slayer is stronger than Choppa. Look at path trees.
Sword Masters are a bit better than Black Orcs.
Warrior priests are a bit weaker than DoK's, but they have interesting debuffs.
White Lions are better than Herders.
WH's are almost the same as WE's.

Had a good laugh, epic 10/10

[Tenroc]

I don't think any one class is really OP.
But here's my noob 2 cents (it's my thread after all)
1. "Balancing" classes is the way of the devil. If you want everything balanced go find a game where there is only 1 class and everyone is equal (try counter strike)
2. Every class has its place. Example WL and SH (because of pets and skill trees). A SH who has space can pretty much kite 2 tanks across Prague and likely kill them both. But a WL facing 2 tanks is either meat or running for their lives. Stay in your "niche" you win... Leave your "niche" you die.

[Toldavf]

The thing about balance is that certain abilities on certain classes way over preform making those classes a must have in group also certain classes don't preform in the role they are supposed to meaning they are ignored.