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Faction69
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#21 » Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:47 pm

Stinksuit wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:27 am
Faction69 wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:09 am
Stinksuit wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:35 am

I suppose so, I just personally don't like playing riposte. To me riposte and regen are things I dislike about solo play these days, probably the most with the snb tanks. Those things are basically "win" without doing anything other than outlasting your enemy who does not have stacked regen.. Good thing about we/wh atleast is that you can just flee from those opponents if you want. :)

At least on WH, you might as well use it in an offensive build because you have a way to force it. In that way it's not outlast cheesing, it just gives you more dmg when you fight melee than other tactics would.
Yes you can ofcourse use it offensive way and I get that its strong tactic. I just said that I dislike riposte since its just there for bonus dmg for not doing anything. Quite often I see for example choppas who's 2nd or 3rd top dmg is coming from riposte and for what? Just staring at your enemies.. xD
I'd prefer if it didn't exist since all it's next to useless when there's a healer around anyway, all it does in the wider scheme of things is make 1v1s between melee less interesting

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hordak774
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#22 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:45 pm

i dont see here any signes of glass cannon more like half def build

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Stinksuit
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#23 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:32 pm

hordak774 wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:45 pm i dont see here any signes of glass cannon more like half def build
Out of curiousity. What makes this "half def" in your eyes?

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Pahakukka
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#24 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:48 pm

Stinksuit wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:32 pm
hordak774 wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:45 pm i dont see here any signes of glass cannon more like half def build
Out of curiousity. What makes this "half def" in your eyes?
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insolenz
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#25 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:38 am

Okish gameplay, some plays are on point. I'm sure you will upgrade it further in your future videos. Speaking of the build being 1-2 wont give you real glass cannon damage output. It always will give you way too long 1v1 fights, instead of just killing with 1 rotation. Glass numbers look like this:

Click here to watch on YouTube

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Stinksuit
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#26 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:22 am

insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:38 am Okish gameplay, some plays are on point. I'm sure you will upgrade it further in your future videos. Speaking of the build being 1-2 wont give you real glass cannon damage output. It always will give you way too long 1v1 fights, instead of just killing with 1 rotation. Glass numbers look like this:

Click here to watch on YouTube
Yeah I'm definitely not the best with we/wh but thats fine. I'm not really sure what you mean with build being "1-2" and even in this video you linked the wh couldve just reset the fight if he uses stagger earlier. I'm just saying that my build is definitely not some defensive build since people like to complain about regen we's etc which my build definitely isn't..

insolenz
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#27 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:10 am

Stinksuit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:22 am
insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:38 am Okish gameplay, some plays are on point. I'm sure you will upgrade it further in your future videos. Speaking of the build being 1-2 wont give you real glass cannon damage output. It always will give you way too long 1v1 fights, instead of just killing with 1 rotation. Glass numbers look like this:

Click here to watch on YouTube
Yeah I'm definitely not the best with we/wh but thats fine. I'm not really sure what you mean with build being "1-2" and even in this video you linked the wh couldve just reset the fight if he uses stagger earlier. I'm just saying that my build is definitely not some defensive build since people like to complain about regen we's etc which my build definitely isn't..
By "being 1-2" i meant the trees of the spec - Path of Carnage and Path of Suffering.
Sure wh can reset the fight basically anytime he wants - it requires 1 gcd so if you dont kill it in KD window which is 3 sec fight can be reset anyway.
I posted vid not as "how you kill wh" or expose video , but just to show diffrence in numbers when you are speeced full strength/crit/no fs and in 1-3 three with increased pain tactic and have elixir of insane power up.

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Stinksuit
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#28 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:54 am

insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:10 am
Stinksuit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:22 am
insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:38 am Okish gameplay, some plays are on point. I'm sure you will upgrade it further in your future videos. Speaking of the build being 1-2 wont give you real glass cannon damage output. It always will give you way too long 1v1 fights, instead of just killing with 1 rotation. Glass numbers look like this:

Click here to watch on YouTube
Yeah I'm definitely not the best with we/wh but thats fine. I'm not really sure what you mean with build being "1-2" and even in this video you linked the wh couldve just reset the fight if he uses stagger earlier. I'm just saying that my build is definitely not some defensive build since people like to complain about regen we's etc which my build definitely isn't..
By "being 1-2" i meant the trees of the spec - Path of Carnage and Path of Suffering.
Sure wh can reset the fight basically anytime he wants - it requires 1 gcd so if you dont kill it in KD window which is 3 sec fight can be reset anyway.
I posted vid not as "how you kill wh" or expose video , but just to show diffrence in numbers when you are speeced full strength/crit/no fs and in 1-3 three with increased pain tactic and have elixir of insane power up.
Right yeah I get it :) I suppose its not max dmg on my build, however I dont think tittle of this forum post is something we need to get caught into. Its mainly there to show that I'm not playing toughness regen spec as most have that idea 1st when they see solo we.. :D I am full str and crit, I think I have 2 fs and yeah I prefer the HD over the crit dmg for the utility and makes it easier to kill dps am etc :)

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Faction69
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#29 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:09 am

insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:10 am
Stinksuit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:22 am
insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:38 am Okish gameplay, some plays are on point. I'm sure you will upgrade it further in your future videos. Speaking of the build being 1-2 wont give you real glass cannon damage output. It always will give you way too long 1v1 fights, instead of just killing with 1 rotation. Glass numbers look like this:

Click here to watch on YouTube
Yeah I'm definitely not the best with we/wh but thats fine. I'm not really sure what you mean with build being "1-2" and even in this video you linked the wh couldve just reset the fight if he uses stagger earlier. I'm just saying that my build is definitely not some defensive build since people like to complain about regen we's etc which my build definitely isn't..
By "being 1-2" i meant the trees of the spec - Path of Carnage and Path of Suffering.
Sure wh can reset the fight basically anytime he wants - it requires 1 gcd so if you dont kill it in KD window which is 3 sec fight can be reset anyway.
I posted vid not as "how you kill wh" or expose video , but just to show diffrence in numbers when you are speeced full strength/crit/no fs and in 1-3 three with increased pain tactic and have elixir of insane power up.
The only real difference here in the damage is using armorpen elixir on the opener. In which case you are barely gaining anything from going right tree instead of middle because you are not using agonizing wound. Giving up heal debuff and your only gap closer just for heartseeker, and as a bonus you get kited after a single cc from any half decent ranged. If all you're doing is killing melee sure that's probably better but that's not worth shutting yoursef out from winning vs any half decent ranged player or even just staying on a target at all ever if they decide to run.

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Stinksuit
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Re: Solo WE to rr80 (still glass cannon)

Post#30 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:00 am

Faction69 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:09 am
insolenz wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:10 am
Stinksuit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:22 am
Yeah I'm definitely not the best with we/wh but thats fine. I'm not really sure what you mean with build being "1-2" and even in this video you linked the wh couldve just reset the fight if he uses stagger earlier. I'm just saying that my build is definitely not some defensive build since people like to complain about regen we's etc which my build definitely isn't..
By "being 1-2" i meant the trees of the spec - Path of Carnage and Path of Suffering.
Sure wh can reset the fight basically anytime he wants - it requires 1 gcd so if you dont kill it in KD window which is 3 sec fight can be reset anyway.
I posted vid not as "how you kill wh" or expose video , but just to show diffrence in numbers when you are speeced full strength/crit/no fs and in 1-3 three with increased pain tactic and have elixir of insane power up.
The only real difference here in the damage is using armorpen elixir on the opener. In which case you are barely gaining anything from going right tree instead of middle because you are not using agonizing wound. Giving up heal debuff and your only gap closer just for heartseeker, and as a bonus you get kited after a single cc from any half decent ranged. If all you're doing is killing melee sure that's probably better but that's not worth shutting yoursef out from winning vs any half decent ranged player or even just staying on a target at all ever if they decide to run.
I dont think I have ever used the armor pen elixir due to reasons you pointed out. And like I said previously, to me having the hd is just too important to drop so I can actually have a fighting chance to dps am and maybe even kill healers who are not fully aware :) maybe I should've not tittled this "glass cannon".. but as mentioned its mainly there for people to see that I'm not playing toughness regen we which most will instantly think it is without even checking the video :/ I'm still waiting to hear from the guy who revived this thread by saying I'm playing semi def spec :)

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