Knight dps

[BoriqOne]

ever lost to a kotbs, lately ??
there's your response on the class.
come on destro, say it ??

[BoriqOne]

what is the kobs shield spec and or gear to do more dps?

As someone who isn't a kotb expert, just looking at abilities, and speaking solo spec:

-Thorns dmg, Shield of the Sun with Sun's Blessing and Sunfury tactics, +melee reflect aura.
-Keep Blazing Blade *3 on target, +Vicious Slash, and spam Precision Stroke as filler.
-Might be worth testing Biting Blade tactic, with some crit.
-Run dmg aura, it adds lot of dmg.

In general, one option is using shield for block + HtL which you can channel while chasing casters, and ignoring snb tree- spec about right + left trees, while ignoring party buffing/ 2h requiring abilities. +points which you put into trees buff dmg on abilities from those trees, more than what you would get from some more str. And they buff your thorns dmg/ dmg aura as well, while str doesn't.

Just say order doesn't know how to use this class. might as well, since your looking into how it might work, rotflmao !

[Stimpz]

ever lost to a kotbs, lately ??
there's your response on the class.
come on destro, say it ??

I would say that many destros lost to KotBs lately and surely every day. They are really fine tanks, and if they play right, they can carry a whole group.

But if you mean that if any destro lately got smashed to pieces by a single knight and if this is your only definition of losing in this game, then probably no.

[Oldpine]

Why do shamans still exist then?

True...also BG and Chosen are 2 of the best tanks..and do a lot of damage...

Man BG is SO OVERTUNED that its obvious that someone in the team plays it, or his friend etc plays it. When they gave Cooldown reducer to BG???? WTF not even one good BG thought they should get that... They have automatic cooldown halved with punt if using 2h. Why all others must spend tactic slot to get this effect? hahaha. Are there really no better ideas than to copy paste skills...

Bg is the only one who gets 5s kd with shield, and they removed blade of ruin etc from BG and replaced it with 2h KD : D at one point BG had SM Wods even i mean COME ON. They can debuff 20% of crit chance. They have aoe 10% debuff to all avoidances with 100% uptime. They have +10% More critical hits Aoe and 100% Uptime as well.

Soft capped toughness in every build. This class is insanity lvl power but because this project is just DMG DMG DMG DMG fudge all else i want to 24 ae cap remove 50% aoe heal debuffs and everything in the game that makes the game and then we wonder why this is failing. Im starting to get mad so i stop so i wont comment something that might hurt someones feelings oh no that is horrifying if someones feelings get hurt

Why do you think there's plenty of Knights and almost no BGs in game?

[forsa]

Why do you think there's plenty of Knights and almost no BGs in game?

Cause everyone knows that every wb needs 4-8 knights.

As for BG, why roll a class that you need to press some skills, when you can play Chosen with 1 hand and win most of the time

[Zxul]

Exactly. Chosen gets tons of free offensive AND defensive stats, while knight gets WS instead of Toughness, which doesn't do much to make his damage less sucky.

160 ws/14= 11.4% extra armor pen. Mind explaining how exactly this "doesn't do much to make his damage less sucky"?

How much WS chosen needs? None, because he's dealing magic damage. Not carrying about WS at all and instead investing into toughness is superior to a meager armour pen bonus KOTBS gets.

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?

[JanZamoysky]

Because Knights were too strong. You can't be one of the best tanks, one of the most useful debuffers, one of the classes with the best utility AND do great damage.

So it was correct to add some balance.

Unfortunately they removed virtually every single thing that made damage viable, like, EVERYTHING.

I gotta defend the RoR devs here - even with all of that taken out, you can totally run a 2H knight and be possibly more useful than most 2H tanks. It's just so stacked on buffs, debuffs, great CC. So obviously they were right to balance it.

The part where I think they got it wrong is leaving KOTBS with the same kit on almost every specc. It's just a tanky buffer/debuffer. You go for the KD and all you choose is either a damage reduction skill usable with a shield or a damage increasing on enemies skill usable with a greatsword. It's poor choice.

Anyway, yeh, knights are very weak for damage but I wouldn't count on anything adressing the issue because they're still totally viable. Very unfun though.

I don't know how much control over class changes the current dev team has. Instead of removal a playstyle from a class, the more reasonable approach should have been making ANY playstyle heavy enough talent investment that you cannot be a jack of all trades and a master of all. Variety of playstyles should be encouraged, that wat adds to longevity.

[Farrul]

160 ws/14= 11.4% extra armor pen. Mind explaining how exactly this "doesn't do much to make his damage less sucky"?

How much WS chosen needs? None, because he's dealing magic damage. Not carrying about WS at all and instead investing into toughness is superior to a meager armour pen bonus KOTBS gets.

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?

Another fine example of how Zxul do not grasp simple game mechanics and tries to disprove someone based on this, it is all comical to read.

Here is a simple thought exercise, remove the spirit(magic) component from the Chosens relentless ( oppressing blows) and watch the 2H chosen crumble in performance ( despite having more spirit attacks, ravage to spam and 2 x dots). That's how powerful magic is. That's why the devs removed '' Mighty soul''' which of course was not justifiable since kotbs dps quite honestly is none existent today.

On topic:

Kotbs has poor dps since they scale poorly with rather weak attacks and abilities, compared to a Chosen, the latter has a way to convert or more magic attacks ( which makes all the difference, since magic---->>> physical in this game. They make decent magic dps ( which means always effective penetration) whilst having no need to scale weak pysical damage abilities with weapon skill and instead buff themselves a lot in toughness etc. Hence why it is the best solo roaming tank since it does a fair amount of damage whilst being very tanky and hard to take out.

Destro biased players will usually justify the sucky dps of the knight by arguing for the group utility of the class, this is just beating a dead horse at this point and leads nowhere, anyone who is slightly interested in doing damage with a 2h tank will stay far away from the kotbs.

The knight lacks everything which makes for example the other order phys tank (IB ) do some decent phys damage. 1) an armor debuff which stacks with 1m morale debuff for burst windows, 2 scaleable high damage ( IB through grudges scale and more effective damage abilities).

[georgehabadasher]

How much WS chosen needs? None, because he's dealing magic damage. Not carrying about WS at all and instead investing into toughness is superior to a meager armour pen bonus KOTBS gets.

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?

anyone who is slightly interested in doing damage with a 2h tank will stay far away from the kotbs.

You're not wrong, but it'd be more accurate to say "anyone who is slightly interested in doing damage with a 2h tank will stay far away from RoR"

[Cherusk]

WS/Ini patch fked it all up...before that 2h knight was in a nice sweet spot....Just Runefang had to be core at that point. But now...you go def bot or gtfo sadface